Weimer Pax

what if post WWI comunist party is banned in Weimer and center socialist can gain the 51% votes so they dominate the period...

They develop the U Boats and needed military industry working with China because was no testing ground in Soviet Union as them and bolshevics hated each other to the sky.

China-Japan war goes fast and China cuts the japan navy supply lines and recover all the teritory lost in Korea and even land on the northern islands of Japan putting the Emperor in the position to ask for american mediation.

Germany gains the Suddentenland and Austria but doesnt go to ocuppy core czech lands forcing the western powers to secure Poland integrity.

Hungarian problem is resolved by moving border a bit north in Slovakia and by 1/3 of Transilvania being gained by Hungary north-west on Timisoara-Oradea-Arad line and a total population exchange of the 2 sides.

The soviet-romanian problem is solved by population exchange.
Romania negociate with Bulgaria and gives up Caliacra county.

Serbia is requested to negociate its eastern macedonian border they reject and are atacked by Bulgaria,Hungary.
The war goes slow and Iugoslavia breaks up in 2:Republic of Croatia and Serbian Kingdom.
Kosovo is added to Albania and half of serbian macedonia with the second half to Bulgaria.
Hungary picks Voievodina and Bosnia-H is split in 2 with most going to Serbia.
Revolution ignite in Belgrade and republic is declared.

Francisco Franco is caught and condemned to death and shoot in Maroco.
Benito Musolini is arrested and condemned to death after his atempted coup.
 
nope :)
just a way arround for building a better world in a more peacefull way :D

now i just need to find a way to send all the colonial empires back to toilet
 

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what if post WWI comunist party is banned in Weimer and center socialist can gain the 51% votes so they dominate the period...

They develop the U Boats and needed military industry working with China because was no testing ground in Soviet Union as them and bolshevics hated each other to the sky.

China-Japan war goes fast and China cuts the japan navy supply lines and recover all the teritory lost in Korea and even land on the northern islands of Japan putting the Emperor in the position to ask for american mediation.

Germany gains the Suddentenland and Austria but doesnt go to ocuppy core czech lands forcing the western powers to secure Poland integrity.

Hungarian problem is resolved by moving border a bit north in Slovakia and by 1/3 of Transilvania being gained by Hungary north-west on Timisoara-Oradea-Arad line and a total population exchange of the 2 sides.

The soviet-romanian problem is solved by population exchange.
Romania negociate with Bulgaria and gives up Caliacra county.

Serbia is requested to negociate its eastern macedonian border they reject and are atacked by Bulgaria,Hungary.
The war goes slow and Iugoslavia breaks up in 2:Republic of Croatia and Serbian Kingdom.
Kosovo is added to Albania and half of serbian macedonia with the second half to Bulgaria.
Hungary picks Voievodina and Bosnia-H is split in 2 with most going to Serbia.
Revolution ignite in Belgrade and republic is declared.

Francisco Franco is caught and condemned to death and shoot in Maroco.
Benito Musolini is arrested and condemned to death after his atempted coup.

Fort POD try with stronger Spartacus rebellion or attempt of assasination of Ebert that backfired...
 
nope :)
just a way arround for building a better world in a more peacefull way :D

now i just need to find a way to send all the colonial empires back to toilet
Well, problem is Hungary probably wouldn't go for population exchange if not forced to do so. And what about Slovaks on territories taken by Hungary? In 1938 there was something around 600 000 of them plus another around 100 000 (some sources are claiming 500 000, but that's a bit to much) in Hungary proper. What about Rusyns in Karpatalja? Are Hungarians going to gain that too?
 
I think the first problem is that the Communist party ion the Weimar Republic may not care if they are being banned. The point to their being Communist was that they supported a violent overthrow of the existing order. Their contesting elections was a sideline. So unless you can dramatically reduce support for the Communists (which would almost require a very different Weimar Republic), banning them won't help. And winning the civil war against them will still require compromises involving unpalatable and undemocratic partners.
 
what if post WWI comunist party is banned in Weimer and center socialist can gain the 51% votes so they dominate the period...

Even if we do assume, that all KPD/USPD voters vote SPD instead of just staying at home, the combined 45.5% in 1919 would be the high point of the SPD's reach. They would still rely on the other democratic parties. They might be down to 34% by May 1924 anyways!

Banning the KPD might pave the way for also forbidding extremist parties on the right. This might have enormous butterflies.

If we still have a strong NSDAP in the Depression, the lack of an extremist alternative on the left might fuel them even more.

They develop the U Boats and needed military industry working with China because was no testing ground in Soviet Union as them and bolshevics hated each other to the sky.

The Bolsheviks didn't work with Weimar due to mutual liking, but of a common interest. The military work together went along with the Reichswehr which was fully of noble leftovers from the WW1-army, and they and the Red Army didn't mind each other. So... Rapallo and so on could still happen.

China-Japan war goes fast and China cuts the japan navy supply lines and recover all the teritory lost in Korea and even land on the northern islands of Japan putting the Emperor in the position to ask for american mediation.

Wishful thinking. You are aware that submarines can be sunk, and even with some German cooperation, China would lack the production capabilities to grind the Japanese navy down - or furthermore to invade the Japanese mainland!

Germany gains the Suddentenland and Austria but doesnt go to ocuppy core czech lands forcing the western powers to secure Poland integrity.

Possible, but how so? When?

Francisco Franco is caught and condemned to death and shoot in Maroco.
Benito Musolini is arrested and condemned to death after his atempted coup.

In Franco's case, well possible without German aid.

And what are the things which go WRONG after WW1 and the Paris treaties? You also didn't use your magic wand to make the Great Depression go away.
 
I forgot about the great depression wich in my timeline here never existed.
There was a country where the first party by % was being given 51% of the places in parliament.

Maybe last imperial dinasty from China didnt develop some industry.
So they have the basics to copy the german designs and trainining with the Weimer friends put them on the advantage in Manciuria and Korea.
Add some nice airplains from USA donation and u might see a free China.
Maybe i exagereted with invading Japan[thinking of the soviets - Kurile islands]

Weimer pressure on League of Nation for plebiscite in Austria and Sudentenland and eastern polish lands.
So the big Germany is born by the peacefull methods.

Spain elected Govern receive suport from France and Weimer while USSR tries to help the comies and anarchists there.
So the french and spanish troups with british and french navies and air suport from Germany and France gets the job done at a certain point.
All the extremists are sent to Valhala and the center parties can build a peacefull, democratic Spain much earlier.

Hungary case: they apeall to League of Nations wich came with such resolution:
Transilvania case in 1918 it was a 5 milion population in the province.
30-35% hungarians,50-55% romanians and smaller procents of germans and jews and others.
Size of the province arround 100.000 km so take 1/3 or of the land comes arround the same size as today Seculi land described in the maps in the south-east corner of the province.
Seculi a maghiar speaking etnic group survived inside romanian inhabited areas mainly in 3 counties[judete] making the same size as the counties of Arad,Bihor,Satu-Mare located on the hungarian border wich are mainly romanian ethnics.

So League decides that the peoples will be relocated from both sides.
1.5 milion in 20 years like 75.000 per year from 1930 to 1950.
Each side is forced to build housing and give the same amount of agricultural land to the relocated peasants.
In the case of SubCarpatia i always understood had a multi etnic structure with little hungarian presence more like a ucrainian bigger group there.
From what i remember the SubCarpatia wanted Romania to aborb it in order to be saved from Hungary but Romania rejected.
Never seen maps of south Slovakia where they show slovks there inside that hungarian inhabited area.
Lets say 1/2 for each side and they are banned from ever atempting war for such purpose as border changes.
 
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The League of Nations had no power and was backed only by the British, who had alientated the French early on by trying to make them disarm while also annoying the Italians while giving the Germans everything they wanted. Really, you should try putting dates in this. On another note, how did you get 750,000 relocated people X 20 years = 1,500,000?
 
I think your assumptions take too big leaps.

So basically you assume a strond social(democrat) party in Germany. That starts butterflies early on and probably you just butterfly away the extreme right (at least they lack their "Communist" counterpart, so have difficulties to position themselves).

By 1930 we will face the great depression anyways (no real chance to butterfly that away with a post 1918 POD that is not ASB) Without a strong NSDAP you will find a more stable government in Germany. so by the mid 30s you might have a Germany that is probably still wanting top reverse Versailles.

Rheinland is going to happen just as OTL (maybe 1-2 years later)
Austria - not goint to happen - you still will have an Austro Fascist regime but the 1934 Nazi putsch will be butterflied away. Thus Germany would either be not interested in Austria and/or Austria is not wanting to join Germany)

Thus an annexation of Sudetenland will not happen- best you can hope for is that Germany is accepted as "Schutzmacht" for SudetenGerman interests (just as Austria is nowadays for South Tirol).

But the non expansionism of Germany will probably increase the chnaces to come to an settlement with Poland about the Danzig question (Danzig to Germany with rights of passage throughthe Polish corridor)

Poland will want a strong Germany to counter the Russian threat.

You might have an Anglo German naval agreement just as OTL.

But you will miss the "Drang nach Osten" without the Nazi ideology.

Now to the rest of Europe.

Italy will ultimately be isolated (fascism will happen in Italy as OTL) Maybe with Hungary and Austria in Italys camp.

Italy alone will not be enough to enable a franco spain, so the SU might have a Western European ally...

The Balkans will be unstable but not enough to trigger a war that reverses much of WWI. Yugoslavia will be backed by UK/FR as will Greece - Bulgaria to weak and Romania probably occupied with holding Russia at bay. The SU - without Germany being agressive - might just not be agressive enough to attack Finland or Romania. Baltics might be backed by Germany and UK/FR.

I think this will be a better time for Europe.

Asia will probably happen to 1939 as OTL but japan will not attack SE-asia if UK/FR are not fighting a big war elsewhere. THus there will not be a Dec 1941 attack - Japan probably will eitehr fight alone or more likely teh China question will be solved sometimes...

This might be the trigger of the next big war when the KMT is backed (more) by UK/US/FR against the Chinese Communists. This civil war might pit the Soviets against the otehr nations...
 
even so we have 2 big problems:palestina and India.
Im sure everyone wants an independent India+Tibet lets say and
what about the jewish settlements in there.
Do we leave the jews here and there and put a big Jordany in place? on both sides?
 
even so we have 2 big problems:palestina and India.
Im sure everyone wants an independent India+Tibet lets say and
what about the jewish settlements in there.
Do we leave the jews here and there and put a big Jordany in place? on both sides?
"Even so"? You didn't answer a single question. I could care less about who has those two areas, on top of that.
 
it was a small 0 mistake [75.000 like 20.000 houses to build up for the each side]
Maybe we have USA put its weight in the balance.
 
Regarding Italy calling Mussolini bluff on the march of Rome is a clear possibility...is that in all probability mean Italy get a socialist goverment and the monarchy is in peril. It is an option not usually used and this mean no invasion of Ethiopia and support for Republican Spain; become more cozy with the URSS (or the contrary as socialist and communist usually after a while begin to fight) but in this case an italian diplomatic isolation will probably happen the same, at lest till the France Communist/socialist get in power (but a left dominated Italy can create some political butterfly to our cousin)
 
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