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The Goth-Thede
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The Goth-Thede (or Gothic People), are the descendants of the former Kingdom of Gothia that was located on the Crimean peninsula.
After the second Gothic migration to the peninsula, the Kingdom of Gothia Byzantium's most powerful vassal. Sometimes even dictating the empire's policy in the Black Sea. As the empire lost territory to the Ottomans Gothia began to assert its independence. By AD 1453, with the fall of Constantinople, the kingdom was fully independent. The kingdom's location survived as a local trading power, and while it was never very large its wealth grew due to its favorable location.
But, alas, while Gothia could fend off the distant Ottoman Empire it could not stave Imperial Russia off for long. In AD 1780 Russian troops conquered the capital of Theodoro. Thousands of Goths fled to the surrounding areas. Some chose to hide in other parts of Russia, while many found their way into the lands of the Holy Roman Empire.
For the next hundred and sixty two years, the Goths tried to blend into their new surroundings. But in AD 1942, the idea of a Gothia resurfaced. Many Goths simply share pride in their common heritage, but there are some that wish to recreate a Gothic state. Both these groups are known as the Goth-Thede, and their flag does not distinguish between the two ideas either.
The flag shows a double headed Gothic eagle, combining their Byzantine heritage with that of their Germanic roots. Inside the eagle is a wagon wheel representing the great distances the Goths have traveled since the fall of Theodoro.
Sa Gutthiuda
The Goth-Thede (or Gothic People), are the descendants of the former Kingdom of Gothia that was located on the Crimean peninsula.
After the second Gothic migration to the peninsula, the Kingdom of Gothia Byzantium's most powerful vassal. Sometimes even dictating the empire's policy in the Black Sea. As the empire lost territory to the Ottomans Gothia began to assert its independence. By AD 1453, with the fall of Constantinople, the kingdom was fully independent. The kingdom's location survived as a local trading power, and while it was never very large its wealth grew due to its favorable location.
But, alas, while Gothia could fend off the distant Ottoman Empire it could not stave Imperial Russia off for long. In AD 1780 Russian troops conquered the capital of Theodoro. Thousands of Goths fled to the surrounding areas. Some chose to hide in other parts of Russia, while many found their way into the lands of the Holy Roman Empire.
For the next hundred and sixty two years, the Goths tried to blend into their new surroundings. But in AD 1942, the idea of a Gothia resurfaced. Many Goths simply share pride in their common heritage, but there are some that wish to recreate a Gothic state. Both these groups are known as the Goth-Thede, and their flag does not distinguish between the two ideas either.
The flag shows a double headed Gothic eagle, combining their Byzantine heritage with that of their Germanic roots. Inside the eagle is a wagon wheel representing the great distances the Goths have traveled since the fall of Theodoro.
M0tty. Heraldic-Charge-Wheel. 17 November 2011. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Héraldique_-_meuble_-_Roue.svg. Accessed 16 January 2022
Snoodspirit. Gothic flag. 18 October 2016. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gothic_flag.svg. Accessed 16 January 2022.
I've got one I've been toying with but haven't made yet, I'll get it done tomorrow
The Müntzerites
1524 would see the outbreak of a wave of revolutions throughout the German lands which together would come to be grouped under the umbrella of the so-called Peasant's War, an important chapter in the broader Protestant Reformation. A combination of economic grievances against the nobility and religious dissent against both the Catholic Church and magisterial reformers led by Martin Luther would inspire harsh responses from the secular and religious authorities, with the nobility mobilizing to crush the peasants even as their many disparate revolts began to cohere into a mass movement united behind radical reformer Thomas Müntzer. Stressing that the end of the world was nigh and that it was the duty of true believers to usher in the coming world, Müntzer did not claim to speak for the people, who governed themselves democratically in open defiance of the feudal system. The conflict would last only a year as the nobility was able to marshal a more professional army to great effect, the better to exploit the Peasant's Army's lack of cavalry, artillery and effective training. Though many were slaughtered in the aftermath, Müntzer was able to feint, allowing the majority of his followers to escape* at the expense of his own capture, torture and dismemberment. Left to their own devices, opposition from the nobility as well as both the Catholic and Protestant religious authorities would force the Müntzerites into over a century of harsh semi-nomadic existence, though a yearning for religious liberty would see the majority of the movement resettle en masse in the New World, where they would become a crucial influence on later radical political and religious experiments. The traditional symbols of the Müntzerites are the rainbow, symbolizing their covenant with God, and the peasant's boot, representing their humble beginnings and years of wandering.
*In the actual Peasant's War 100,000-300,000 of the rebels were killed, with the survivors arrested and taxed into oblivion. It was the largest popular uprising until the French Revolution (and fertile ground for AH possibilities, though there was almost no way they could have actually won)
1524 would see the outbreak of a wave of revolutions throughout the German lands which together would come to be grouped under the umbrella of the so-called Peasant's War, an important chapter in the broader Protestant Reformation. A combination of economic grievances against the nobility and religious dissent against both the Catholic Church and magisterial reformers led by Martin Luther would inspire harsh responses from the secular and religious authorities, with the nobility mobilizing to crush the peasants even as their many disparate revolts began to cohere into a mass movement united behind radical reformer Thomas Müntzer. Stressing that the end of the world was nigh and that it was the duty of true believers to usher in the coming world, Müntzer did not claim to speak for the people, who governed themselves democratically in open defiance of the feudal system. The conflict would last only a year as the nobility was able to marshal a more professional army to great effect, the better to exploit the Peasant's Army's lack of cavalry, artillery and effective training. Though many were slaughtered in the aftermath, Müntzer was able to feint, allowing the majority of his followers to escape* at the expense of his own capture, torture and dismemberment. Left to their own devices, opposition from the nobility as well as both the Catholic and Protestant religious authorities would force the Müntzerites into over a century of harsh semi-nomadic existence, though a yearning for religious liberty would see the majority of the movement resettle en masse in the New World, where they would become a crucial influence on later radical political and religious experiments. The traditional symbols of the Müntzerites are the rainbow, symbolizing their covenant with God, and the peasant's boot, representing their humble beginnings and years of wandering.
*In the actual Peasant's War 100,000-300,000 of the rebels were killed, with the survivors arrested and taxed into oblivion. It was the largest popular uprising until the French Revolution (and fertile ground for AH possibilities, though there was almost no way they could have actually won)
Flag Challenge 262: Say You Want A Revolution!
Inspired by some talk about politics and ideology in the AH tropes thread I wanted to do another challenge about my favorite topic of all time, weird politics and revolutions! In the interest of diverse results I've split this challenge into a few steps:
Submissions Open: Now
Submissions Close: Friday, February 14, 10:30 PM Central Standard Time To be extended as necessary
Please remember to review the RULES, especially concerning flag size. For an image in a single-flag entry, the shortest side must be 600 pixels or less, and the longest side must be 1200 pixels or less.
Inspired by some talk about politics and ideology in the AH tropes thread I wanted to do another challenge about my favorite topic of all time, weird politics and revolutions! In the interest of diverse results I've split this challenge into a few steps:
- Pick any ideology from the Could Have Been ideology thread (keep in mind a lot of them aren't threadmarked!)
- Declare your choice in the discussion thread to claim it. If someone's already claimed your choice you'll have to pick another, there are plenty of strange ones to choose from.
- Create a flag for a revolutionary nation that adopts your chosen ideology. Set it in the past/present/future, whatever works, as long as it's consistent with the development and history of the ideology in question.
Submissions Open: Now
Submissions Close: Friday, February 14, 10:30 PM Central Standard Time To be extended as necessary
Please remember to review the RULES, especially concerning flag size. For an image in a single-flag entry, the shortest side must be 600 pixels or less, and the longest side must be 1200 pixels or less.
Here's a compilation of the ones without threadmarks. It's up to date, all thanks should go to @Crying!
I've just gotten an idea for Italian Integralism. Now, to see if I can execute...
I have faith in you 😂 that's Integralism claimed! Anyone looking to participate will have to choose something else.
Holy Kingdom of Italy
The creation of Catholic Action by Pope Pius X as an act against intransigent innovators, and against modernism in general and socialism and anarchism in particular, began a course to ultimately to restore Papal authority in Italy. The organisation was founded on four aspects: obedience to the Pope, education based on Catholic study, living according to the principles of Catholicism, and a widespread commitment to charity towards the weakest and the poorest. It was this last aspect that would prove to be the most popular with the Italian peoples during the Great Depression.
The Great Depression led to a period of turmoil, the Red Years, in which communists, socialists, anarchists, and revolutionary nationalists fought with the Royal Italian Army for control of the destiny of Italy. Catholic Action's opposition to materialism, which was seen as one of the primary causes of the Great Depression, allowed it to become the leading party of government in the 1925 general election. With this new power, the government nationalised various banks' holdings and enacted numerous financial system reforms.
The Lateran Treaties of 1929 agreed that the Leonine City and all other church properties would be recognised as a separate state from the Kingdom of Italy, though the Pope could and would continue to act within Italy through Catholic Action. The indemnity paid to the Holy See, for the Italian seizure of the Papal states, took the form of 3,225,000 lire per annum (from the Law of Guarantees upon which parts of the Lateran Treaties were based), plus monies or properties of equivalent value for those 59 years since the Capture of Rome with interest. The greater part of these indemnities took the form of various nationalised holdings taken from the banks. Per the Lateran Treaties, these new church properties would not have extraterritorial status within Italy, but would have exemption from expropriation and taxes.
This was seen by the socialists and communists as a move to transfer power from a newer, modern authority, the business class, to an older, traditional authority, the Catholic Church. Thus they launched the Red March, an attempted coup d'état to put the Socialist Party into government, after the 1930 general election placed them as the largest party and potentially capable of forming a viable coalition government. The resultant flight of Victor Emmanuel III to Naples so shortly after the murder of his son Umberto, Prince of Piedmont, in Paris the year before, caused a crisis in government as the socialists and communists held parts of Rome and threatened to enter the Leonine City to remove the Pope as well. This crisis was ended when Prince Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Aosta, the Undefeated Duke, rallied the Royal Italian Army and veterans of his Undefeated Army, the former Italian Third Army, to bloodily retake the city, supported at times by the Pontifical Swiss Guard, Noble Guard, Palatine Guard, and Papal Gendermerie Corps.
The death of Victor Emmanuel III in 1931 and his succession by Emmanuel Philibert as King of Italy, marked a new stage in Italian politics, as the new king was more involved in the day-to-day business of government and worked closely with the Pope and by extension Catholic Action to create a new system based on Maurrasian Integralism. The core tenets of Integralism were: exclusion of Protestants, Jews, Freemasons, foreigners, and all other held to be intrinsically non-Italian; balance respect for local cultural particularities with the interests of the state and the monarchy; achieve social order through the Catholic Church as a source of moral authority and cultural unity. This was underlined by Emmanuel Philibert's coronation with the Iron Crown of Lombardy by the Pope in Milan, as with the Kings of Italy within the Holy Roman Empire; a new state would be created - once again, Holy; once again, Roman; and once again, an Empire.
The creation of Catholic Action by Pope Pius X as an act against intransigent innovators, and against modernism in general and socialism and anarchism in particular, began a course to ultimately to restore Papal authority in Italy. The organisation was founded on four aspects: obedience to the Pope, education based on Catholic study, living according to the principles of Catholicism, and a widespread commitment to charity towards the weakest and the poorest. It was this last aspect that would prove to be the most popular with the Italian peoples during the Great Depression.
The Great Depression led to a period of turmoil, the Red Years, in which communists, socialists, anarchists, and revolutionary nationalists fought with the Royal Italian Army for control of the destiny of Italy. Catholic Action's opposition to materialism, which was seen as one of the primary causes of the Great Depression, allowed it to become the leading party of government in the 1925 general election. With this new power, the government nationalised various banks' holdings and enacted numerous financial system reforms.
The Lateran Treaties of 1929 agreed that the Leonine City and all other church properties would be recognised as a separate state from the Kingdom of Italy, though the Pope could and would continue to act within Italy through Catholic Action. The indemnity paid to the Holy See, for the Italian seizure of the Papal states, took the form of 3,225,000 lire per annum (from the Law of Guarantees upon which parts of the Lateran Treaties were based), plus monies or properties of equivalent value for those 59 years since the Capture of Rome with interest. The greater part of these indemnities took the form of various nationalised holdings taken from the banks. Per the Lateran Treaties, these new church properties would not have extraterritorial status within Italy, but would have exemption from expropriation and taxes.
This was seen by the socialists and communists as a move to transfer power from a newer, modern authority, the business class, to an older, traditional authority, the Catholic Church. Thus they launched the Red March, an attempted coup d'état to put the Socialist Party into government, after the 1930 general election placed them as the largest party and potentially capable of forming a viable coalition government. The resultant flight of Victor Emmanuel III to Naples so shortly after the murder of his son Umberto, Prince of Piedmont, in Paris the year before, caused a crisis in government as the socialists and communists held parts of Rome and threatened to enter the Leonine City to remove the Pope as well. This crisis was ended when Prince Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Aosta, the Undefeated Duke, rallied the Royal Italian Army and veterans of his Undefeated Army, the former Italian Third Army, to bloodily retake the city, supported at times by the Pontifical Swiss Guard, Noble Guard, Palatine Guard, and Papal Gendermerie Corps.
The death of Victor Emmanuel III in 1931 and his succession by Emmanuel Philibert as King of Italy, marked a new stage in Italian politics, as the new king was more involved in the day-to-day business of government and worked closely with the Pope and by extension Catholic Action to create a new system based on Maurrasian Integralism. The core tenets of Integralism were: exclusion of Protestants, Jews, Freemasons, foreigners, and all other held to be intrinsically non-Italian; balance respect for local cultural particularities with the interests of the state and the monarchy; achieve social order through the Catholic Church as a source of moral authority and cultural unity. This was underlined by Emmanuel Philibert's coronation with the Iron Crown of Lombardy by the Pope in Milan, as with the Kings of Italy within the Holy Roman Empire; a new state would be created - once again, Holy; once again, Roman; and once again, an Empire.
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I'm holding out for 3 entries and pushing back the date since I'll be busy out of town for a good chunk of next week.
Okay I have a bit of a lessening in my work load and have an idea for a flag.
So, I claim Circulus.
Will have it up soon.
So, I claim Circulus.
Will have it up soon.
Circulus
First described by Pierre Leroux as a form of social economics it did not catch on as a possible policy until after the failure of the USA at reconquering the rebellious southern states of the CSA. The CSA would end up having their own Civil War 20 years later as slavery was unsustainable. Texas and Virginia would rejoin the US, but the remaining states of the CSA would become known as the Southron Capitalist Collective after a long war and ultimate victory of the communist militias of Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana along with various left leaning militias in other states toppled the CSA government.
Their first priority in power was food production to feed the people. As many of the agriculture land has been devastated by years of conflict their first move was to make this land suitable for food production. To do so some began to follow the ideas of Pierre Leroux. Sewage from the cities was collected and sent to the farms for fertilizer. Even sewage from neighboring US cities and towns were accepted. This actually made those cities cleaner, while benefiting the early SCC. It actually worked so well that early recycling programs went into effect as the SCC was financially strapped because of the war. This pulling yourself by your bootstraps mentality influenced many other nations devastated by their own wars and revolutions.
It eventually got to the point that the SCC was being paid to take other nation’s unwanted trash and detritus that the country was doing well recycling and economically doing better. Especially from what the US was paying to have the SCC take from them. With the rise of unionized workers in the SCC, tensions began to rise as the workers thought the company heads and politicians were getting to large of a cut. With much of the military and militias made up of workers there was not much the government could do about this unionization. Many of the workers standard of living increased for the extremely hard work they did…
Flag: Light blue representing the early Blue Hat militias that won the CSA civil war. The white arcs represent the sewage systems in the cities that first started to help the country recover, but they also represent the unity of the nation as the arcs can form circles and streams depending on how the flag is folded.
First described by Pierre Leroux as a form of social economics it did not catch on as a possible policy until after the failure of the USA at reconquering the rebellious southern states of the CSA. The CSA would end up having their own Civil War 20 years later as slavery was unsustainable. Texas and Virginia would rejoin the US, but the remaining states of the CSA would become known as the Southron Capitalist Collective after a long war and ultimate victory of the communist militias of Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana along with various left leaning militias in other states toppled the CSA government.
Their first priority in power was food production to feed the people. As many of the agriculture land has been devastated by years of conflict their first move was to make this land suitable for food production. To do so some began to follow the ideas of Pierre Leroux. Sewage from the cities was collected and sent to the farms for fertilizer. Even sewage from neighboring US cities and towns were accepted. This actually made those cities cleaner, while benefiting the early SCC. It actually worked so well that early recycling programs went into effect as the SCC was financially strapped because of the war. This pulling yourself by your bootstraps mentality influenced many other nations devastated by their own wars and revolutions.
It eventually got to the point that the SCC was being paid to take other nation’s unwanted trash and detritus that the country was doing well recycling and economically doing better. Especially from what the US was paying to have the SCC take from them. With the rise of unionized workers in the SCC, tensions began to rise as the workers thought the company heads and politicians were getting to large of a cut. With much of the military and militias made up of workers there was not much the government could do about this unionization. Many of the workers standard of living increased for the extremely hard work they did…
Flag: Light blue representing the early Blue Hat militias that won the CSA civil war. The white arcs represent the sewage systems in the cities that first started to help the country recover, but they also represent the unity of the nation as the arcs can form circles and streams depending on how the flag is folded.
I have a bit of an idea. Just trying to force a nice looking flag out of the scenario.
@Laserfish don't forget to claim your ideology if you're still thinking of participating!
