Weekly Flag Challenge: Discussion & Entries

I hope this one won’t be too hard, you guys! I just could not help but notice that oh so infamous date approaching.
I hope I made it open enough but giving enough direction not to be too rudderless!
What exactly is meant by III? Does the flag have to be created by 1655?
 
What exactly is meant by III? Does the flag have to be created by 1655?

No, quite the opposite. The flag has to be from after at least 50 years from the PoD. It’s a bit arbitrary but I mostly just meant that I don’t want flags from, say, just two years later when nothing has really changed, the butterflies have not really fluttered very far. If that’s too confusing I’ll remove the rule.
 
Given the lack of entries, the current anxiety of the times, and some personal thoughts, I’m going to make a different challenge and post it tomorrow if there aren’t any entries by tonight’s deadline. Something more lighthearted.
 
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Queen Elizabeth II would not reign for long. She and her Catholic government were overthrown in Protestant dominated England and Scotland. While dissent against her had existed throughout her reign it would become a full uprising and a civil war in 1633. From there both England (including Wales) and Scotland managed to gain their independence. She and some figures in her government would manage to escape to Ireland, where she and her descendants would continue to rule over a Catholic monarchy. In Scotland the nobility would elect among themselves Archibald Campbell, the 8th Earl of Argyll as their king. In England, after long debate, it was decided to create a republic similar to the Dutch. The English flag of the Cross of St. George became the flag. However both as remembrance of a time before the Stuarts, and as a concrete symbol of their rejection of the House of Stuart the flag frequently had a Tudor Rose added to it. The rose was eventually officially made a part of the flag of the Commonwealth. Some interpretations also state that the Tudor Rose represented Wales while the Cross represented England.
 
Royal Isle of Mann
After the initial success of the Gunpowder Conspiracy, the men at the top soon realised that they did not have all the support they had been hoping for. Although they had managed to kill off all almost all the leading lords, this didn't result in there being no meaningful opposition. There were a number of small-scale uprisings almost immediately, some of which began to coalesce into somewhat larger-scale ones. In mid-February 1606, there was an uprising in London itself, seeming to be aimed at capturing the young queen, whom they had had crowned as Mary II, not wishing to re-use the regnal name of the protestant Queen Elizabeth whom they regarded as having been illegitimate.
Although this uprising was quickly put down, the conspirators' spies informed them that other similar plots were suspected. Realising that their grip on power was still shaky and that their claim to legitimacy rested on their control of the queen, they decided to send her out of the capital to a place of safety (believed to have been somewhere in Northumberland, the county of Earl Percy). To their consternation, this was exactly what the opposition had been hoping for and the queen was captured as she entered Northamptonshire.
From there, she was quickly moved through north-west England to Scotland, where she was crowned as Queen of Scots, but this time using the protestant (presbyterian) rite and with the regnal name Elizabeth (hence becoming Elizabeth I of Scots and, later, II of England). The coronation took place on 24th March, exactly three years after her father, James VI, had acceded to the English throne, thus becoming James VI and I. Whether or not this was a deliberate choice by those involved is a matter of debate amongst historians to this day. A few days after her coronation, to keep her safe, she was sent cross-country and then a-ship to the Isle of Mann.
Despite a number of failed attempts by the increasingly desperate conspirators to invade the island and re-capture the queen, the Isle of Mann proved to be very secure and this was where she stayed for the majority of the next nine years. It was during this period that the island was transferred back to the Scottish crown, reversing the transfer of just under 300 years earlier, though William Stanley, Earl of Derby, retained the title of Lord of Mann.
In 1616, when Elizabeth left the island for the last time, she granted it the title of 'Royal' which it bears to this day. She also ordered the creation of a new flag, to consist of the flags of Scotland and England with the symbol of Mann superimposed. As with the Great Union Flag, which was created at the same time, there were a number of variants proposed.
The flag of the Isle of Mann is the Triskelion on a red field, superimposed on the Great Union Flag, with the addition of the Royal Crown to signify the island's royal status. It remains the only flag in the British Commonwealth to have a crown (other than personal flags).
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The Royal Union of the British Isles and the French Marches

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“Since the Black Day of 1605, England has been dead. On that day, the Midlander rebels claimed that a divine act had smited good King Saint James. They quickly kidnapped the Princess and coronated her before the ruins of Parliament, the ashes not yet cold. Her Majesty Elizabeth II, a name no doubt only kept to appease Protestants and keep confusion high as they seized control.

The valiant protestant forces made a key mistake in those first few days. First, they waited, hoping for more information on what had occurred before striking. Second, they could not agree on who to support. Some wanted Henry as the logical heir, others spoke of controlling young Charles. Some even focused on ‘rescuing’ Elizabeth from the clutches of the new government, but keeping her as queen to ensure a more stable government. A government that had, of course, promised a new Parliament. A Parliament that took years to arrive due to war, and one that arrived no more powerful than the Estates of France...

...As the war stretched into years, we saw many heroes rise. Henry swearing to avenge Charles, Cromwell valiantly at his side, the tragic charge of the Presbyterian armies at Hadrian’s Wall. All, alas, for not.”

- Theodore Perkins, Lecture at the Royal Dutch University of New Anglia​

“The wedding truly was the deathblow. The end of nearly ten years of conflict. That Elizabeth, the Summer Queen, was wedding a Frenchman did not escape notice. Some were upset, but most saw the real meaning. César de Bourbon may have been a legitimized bastard, but he was still the French King’s brother, and so he would bring with him into the marriage the promise of French troops. General Cromwell and Henry the Pretender had already fled. The Henricist cause would endure for years, mostly in Scotland, but the aid of the French finally brought the peace.

From the Irish relief in Wales, crushing the bulk of the Puritan King’s Own Regiments, to the Scottish implosion in 1611, the war had been bloody and contentious. For years the Protestants endured, but the end result was obvious. The Catholics had come to rule England again, and the efforts of the Papacy were effective, convincing many Anglicans to see the similarities in doctrine that helped to convert many Englishmen who had lost the will to fight fate.

The wedding was peaceful. It was public. And it was jubilant. A sign of the future. Few understood just how impactful it would be.”

- Michelle Latherby, The History of the English Realm, Viewbox Documentary series​

“The Wars of French Succession at last had a victor, and it was England. The Kingdom of France had practically collapsed, all due to the disastrous war with the Dutch and Prussians that England had dragged them into. By 1730, the first march had been established, a military zone of control formalized to try and find a balance between the English military, their Cesaristes allies, and local lords interested in maintaining their provincial privileges.

But with the Marches establishing a new and more harmonious government in 1735, the House of Stuart-Bourbon was ascendant. King Caesar I of the Isles was able to leave his daughter Marian an entirely new nation to rule. The Royal Union was established by reaffirming the ties between Britain and France. Marian married Louis-Philipe of Orleans, her second cousin, and with the blessings of both the Queen’s Parliaments and the Kings’ Estates-General, the kingdoms joined as one legal entity.

Of course this union would take years to become one nation. It would take two wars, immigration, linguistic changes, and the rise of a common rival in the Dutch-Danish alliance, to truly give birth to the nation we know today as the Royal Union of the British Isles and the French Marches...

...This azure banner has the crosses of England and Scotland, symbolizing the isle of Great Britain at the center of the Union. But the arms of the monarchy show all their possessions, and the extension of the English cross shows how the English Realm has stretched far and wide.”

- For Want of Will; The History of Western Europe by James T. Dupont​
 
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Well after a close race, it seems I pulled ahead in the nick of time. Well fought lads.

Alright, now for my challenge.

FLAG CHALLENGE #236 - Vexillum Monstrum

Make a flag belonging to a nation run by monsters!

We might be passed Halloween, but that doesn't mean the Spookiness has to end! November 11th is just October 42nd, after all. The nation in question can be something classic, like a vampire kingdom or a werewolf clan. Maybe a mermaid polis? Feel free to stick to the classics or do something more obscure; the nation also doesn't have to be controlled by just one race of monsters either. As long the population and government are made up of some kind of monsters, it counts!

Submissions Open: Now
Submissions Close: November 18th, 2020 @ 10:30 PM (MST)
 
Really like this challenge, here's what i came up with.

The Alliance of the Swamp Troll Tribes:
A loosely organized tribes of Trolls that inhabit the The Great Barrier Swamp.

The Great Barrier Swamp is a region between the Realms of Men, and the Realms of Unmen (or monsters, as often described) ,a land shrouded in mystery, believed to hold great treasures and greater dangers, as well as being the source of many evils, such as plagues, doughts and madness. An acient curse has poisoned the boundry between the two realms and turned it into an almost unpassable area of swamps, fens and quagmires. It is believed that it was done to separate the two realms, and protect the Realms of Men from venturing into the certain death, and prevent more evil from seeping in. Yet many explorers sought to cross it, hoping to . The few who returned spoke tales of meeting disfigured men, that while temepramental, and easily angered were not outright evil. These were thought to be Trolls. In reality they were men and women who dared to cross the swamps and became lost. Time has turned them into unrecognizable creatures and nearly wiped their memories of their past life, most of them being unable to remember anything before they came to the swamps, their skin became darkened like mud and tough like hardwood, some grew more eyes, limbs, or even heads. They were seen as abominations by those of the Realms of Men, they have proven themselves not hostile and thus were able to maintain some degree of relations with them. As time went on some noteworthy Trolls gained disciples, and followers, creating many tribes, and founding a new society. They often went to war with eachother, for reasons unknown to Men, eventually the strongest of them unified most of the Tribes into a loose coalition. This was seen as worrysome by the Realms of Men, fearing a potential invasion. Though fledgeling, the Troll nation would've been a formidable foe, a war with them would have meant countless losses for the Realms of Men. They sent an envoy of peace to the Trolls and acknowledged their owenership of the swamplands, in the exchange that no Troll should ever set foot outside them, though they have remained uncontacted since.
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@Xanthoc does it have to be national flag (or clan flag/heraldic banner etc) or can it be a flag of army/navy or war flag or flag of one of the subdivisions?
 
@Xanthoc Congratulations!
Regarding the new challenge, I'm going to be travelling a lot over the next week, so probably won't have time to enter, but just in case I do... what's 'MST' for the closing time?
 
During the last days of the second world war, Baron Von Frankenstein, who had been forced to reserect his great grandfather's monster by the Nazi Mad Science Division, declares his Bavarian estate and the local villages independent from the reich to prevent Allied occupation. As most of the healthy male population had been drafted, leaving only an army of cripples and the elderly in the region, the Baron had his monster snap the necks of the SS brigade that had been stationed near by so he could reanimate them as shock troops for the "Frankenstein Kingdom." Once the war was over, the "kingdom" became a heriditery monarchy, but distinctly anti communist, earning to recognition of the west.
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The Fey's Banner
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"Hearken to me younglings, I may be an elder of eleventy-one but I still take heed of the fraying banner above the mantle.
It's the reason we dwell in these holes of ours though we be far from the forts and walls at the March of Bree.
It belongs to those damned fey that dwell beneath the shade of the Misty Mountains. Those who come against us time and again in their shining arms, whose foul magics mean we see not their faces behind their blinding glow, and mean their bodies fade away when felled by a brave young soldier.
Those fey who when they deign to speak when asked 'why? Why do you strike us so?' speak only in the Old Tongue, and declare us 'unclean', 'impure', and 'halflings'.
We know no longer their true name, and they will not tell us. We know only that they follow this Banner of the Rings and we must stand against it. Till the end of time itself if needed!"
 
Free City of the Arragousets
Ville-Libre des Arragousets
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The arragousets were sea dwelling fairies who once attacked the Island of Guernsey to find human wives. Once they killed or drove all the men away they became very good husbands until they suddenly all vanished back into the sea.

The Free City of the Arragousets was founded by arragousets who refused to leave their wives and formed their own independent village on the island. While male humans have been allowed back in the city they are regarded as second class citizens, just as human women that are not married to an arragouset. Half-breed children or woman married to arragousets are regarded as equal to full-blooded arragousets. The people of Guernsey have made many attempts to drive the fairies back into the sea but have never been successful, even when outnumbering the diminutive creatures.

The Free City's flag is colored to be visible in water as well as on land. The Mariner's Cross represents the a combination of the wife's religion and the sea. While the two sea lions mimic the heraldry of The Duchy of Normandy representing the half-blood children being both of the sea and of Normandy.

Blanchoyeur. Meuble héraldique Lion dragonné. 10 September 2015. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Meuble_héraldique_Lion_dragonné.svg. Accessed 12 November 2020.
Madboy74.Coa Illustration Cross Mariner's. 4 April 2011. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coa_Illustration_Cross_Mariner's.svg. Accessed 12 November 2020.
 
@Xanthoc does it have to be national flag (or clan flag/heraldic banner etc) or can it be a flag of army/navy or war flag or flag of one of the subdivisions?
Hmmmmm... I think I’ll say that if it’s a subdivision, it should be something autonomous (like an autonomous ethnic region or a free city), and I’ll say that a war flag is acceptable (as that is a national flag) but the flag of one branch of the armed forces is not (too limited). Does that make sense?

@Xanthoc Congratulations!
Regarding the new challenge, I'm going to be travelling a lot over the next week, so probably won't have time to enter, but just in case I do... what's 'MST' for the closing time?
MST is Mountain Standard Time, GMT-7
 
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