Weber's Germany: The Veterinarian Totalitarian

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Ryan

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Tsar of New Zealand said:
My own map which I was keeping score with looked slightly different, mainly in Eastern Europe:
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I thought the Finnish and Romanian borders reverted to their pre-1939 versions? (also, I wouldn't feel pedantic enough if I didn't point out the Belgium border :p)

otherwise looks good :) just need tom to confirm what the German border is (either unchanged or same as otl post-Barbarossa) and if the new states in eastern Europe are puppets or protectorates.
 

Tsar of New Zealand

Ryan said:
I thought the Finnish and Romanian borders reverted to their pre-1939 versions? (also, I wouldn't feel pedantic enough if I didn't point out the Belgium border :p)

otherwise looks good :) just need tom to confirm what the German border is (either unchanged or same as otl post-Barbarossa) and if the new states in eastern Europe are puppets or protectorates.
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Ah, of course - the offending map has been corrected.
 
Cahaya Purnama

Cahaya Purnama

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Border of Republic of the United States of Indonesia



Failed one perhaps
 
Tom Colton

Tom Colton

Tsar of New Zealand's looks the most correct, although Gothica needs to look like the post-1941 General Government. Also, nobody has marked out the Free Cities of Murmansk and Leningrad yet (both under Soviet administration.)

The United States of Indonesia is an autonomous but not independent territory of the Netherlands and ought to be coloured as such. If it's possible, there could be two versions: one pre-Japanese invasions and one post.

Finland reverts to its 1939 borders and Romania has all but officially annexed Transnistra and should have the same colour. Ukraine is nominally independent, so Skywalker's is pretty on point with regards to that.

Finally, shameless bump for my summer break TL: vvvvvv :D
 

Tsar of New Zealand

Tom Colton said:
Tsar of New Zealand's looks the most correct, although Gothica needs to look like the post-1941 General Government. Also, nobody has marked out the Free Cities of Murmansk and Leningrad yet (both under Soviet administration.)

The United States of Indonesia is an autonomous but not independent territory of the Netherlands and ought to be coloured as such. If it's possible, there could be two versions: one pre-Japanese invasions and one post.

Finland reverts to its 1939 borders and Romania has all but officially annexed Transnistra and should have the same colour. Ukraine is nominally independent, so Skywalker's is pretty on point with regards to that.

Finally, shameless bump for my summer break TL: vvvvvv :D
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All noted: here's the definitive version of the world on December 6, 1941, before the Japanese invasions of Southeast Asia. My thanks to Skywalker for the USI map template.

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Tom Colton

Tom Colton

Wayside said:
Maybe I've missed it, but what's Wernher von Braun up to ITTL?
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No, you're right; I haven't explicitly mentioned Braun yet. He'll have his part to play soon enough though, where I'll expound on weapons development. :)

Speaking of which...

"WEBER'S GERMANY" WILL RETURN
(OCTOBER 2015)

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COME AND SEE
KOMM UND SIEH
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Tsar of New Zealand

Tom Colton said:
No, you're right; I haven't explicitly mentioned Braun yet. He'll have his part to play soon enough though, where I'll expound on weapons development. :)

Speaking of which...


COME AND SEE
KOMM UND SIEH
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I'd say "why do I get a sense of foreboding about this" but then I remembered that this was Weber. Foreboding comes with the territory.
 
Tom Colton

Tom Colton

Tsar of New Zealand said:
I'd say "why do I get a sense of foreboding about this" but then I remembered that this was Weber. Foreboding comes with the territory.
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That is indeed the name of the game.

A rare case of me cross-referencing another thread, but The Rise and Fall of the Greater German Reich must be a singularly frustrating history book to read, given that early chapters only explain the significance of events in the most vague of ways so that I can keep you all hanging on my every update. :p If I ever get this to the Finished Timelines subforum, I might consider inserting the references proper, given that everyone will know how it ends by then.

Emperor Hammer said:
Where I still have to wait another month?
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I might have a place for you in the rubber industries of Kamerun...;)

Skywalker said:
Dat German conjugation
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Well, it's the translated title of Come and See, although the German Bible just says "Komm!" whenever it's used in the Book of Revelation.

Sir Chaos said:
Veni, Vidi, Kaboom!
- Weber
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ubi craterem faciunt pacem appellant
- Stalin Ruthenicus
 
St. Just

St. Just

"Und ich sah, und siehe, ein weißes Pferd. Und der daraufsaß, hatte einen Bogen; und ihm ward gegeben eine Krone, und er zog aus sieghaft, und daß er siegte..."
 

alexcoppo

My thoughts from the Notler timeline:

  • getting the bomb before the americans is pretty much impossible with anti-semitism, since most of the top bomb guys (and gals) are of jewish ancestry
  • getting the bomb before the americans is pretty doable with a smarter and far-sighted aryanization policy (is he useful for the Reich? aryanize him... at least until we have squeezed every bit of usefulness out of him :eek:...) since you can retain in Europe not only physicists but also lots of other jewish scientists and engineers (e.g. a free Curta brings mechanical "personal computing" to the Reich) with huge impacts on weapons design and therefore Reich survivability
  • credible intercontinental weapon delivery systems must get top priority. Rockets big enough and with a sufficient throw weight are too advanced for a 1945-1950 world so the task is for nuclear mines carrying U-Bootes and Amerikabombers (Ho XVIIIb or better) with, possibly, ramjet propelled nuclear carrying "V1"s, brought into range by U-Bootes or bombers. As you can all see, not easy tasks, undoable if the Reich is being bombed (translation, England must fall, either invaded or nerve gassed into submission)
  • meanwhile, there must be no war in the east, therefore Soviet Union has to be kept "busy" somewhere else (read Persia -> India and/or far east, i.e. China/Korea).
All taken into account, a dreadfully complex job. My feeling is that a Strasserist Germany, allied with Soviet Union, is a much more doable proposition. In fact, while doing historical checks for my timeline I have stumbled on some severe roadblocks that are putting it into real danger of collapse.
 

Caesar Biden

Banned
Tom Colton said:
No, you're right; I haven't explicitly mentioned Braun yet. He'll have his part to play soon enough though, where I'll expound on weapons development. :)

Speaking of which...

"WEBER'S GERMANY" WILL RETURN
(OCTOBER 2015)

602px-NNSA-NSO-273.jpg


COME AND SEE
KOMM UND SIEH
 ​
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Wunderbar!

How's the US political scene ITTL? Are Republicans doing better or worse?
 
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