Weber's Germany: The Veterinarian Totalitarian

Great update Tom, it was interesting to see Weber have a little moment of *Hitlerness by delaying the assault on Moscow here, but ironically enough, the move to delay the assault by Army Group Center on Moscow may ultimately work in the Germans favor in the end; rather then against them as per OTL.

The dynamic between the Reich and the recently declared independent states in the Baltic and Ukraine should be quite interesting as well, it seems Weber is quite content to leave the Baltics with at least nominal independence as long as they stay along Berlin's desired line, but Ukraine.... it seems the Veterinarian wants his office space.
 
Interesting update.
So, Weber doesn't always agree with his general's ideas.
Weber seems to be willing to let the Baltic countries have some form of indipendence as long as they tow his line.
 
Great update, Tom. Will Bylerussia/Belarussia become a puppet state or be annexed by the Reich?

East Poland will undoubtedly be going to Germany.

The initial drive east seems to be going very well for the Germans.

Ukrainian and Baltic States' independence will give those countries some freedom and will free up tens of thousands, if not more, German soldiers from occupation they were burdened with in OTL to now go to the front ITTL. Also four countries can contribute more in troops and material than OTL.

Weber is off to a great start.
 
Great update.

I highly suspect what Antonescu did is going to bite him in the behind pretty badly. Weber's bound to play his cards with the man pretty carefully after a stunt like that.
 
If the GGR and friends fall early enough, imagine what the USSR is going to do to Ukraine... Russian SSR annexes up to the right bank of the Dnieper, Poland gets some land, Hungary and Romania keep some land... rump Western Ukraine SSR that includes Kiev and Odessa, and probably not much else...
 

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If the GGR and friends fall early enough, imagine what the USSR is going to do to Ukraine... Russian SSR annexes up to the right bank of the Dnieper, Poland gets some land, Hungary and Romania keep some land... rump Western Ukraine SSR that includes Kiev and Odessa, and probably not much else...

I would think Russia would annex Kiev and Odessa and abolish Ukraine.
 
I would think Russia would annex Kiev and Odessa and abolish Ukraine.

It depends on who is doing it, I'd suppose; I'd still bet on there being a rump Western Ukraine for all the ex-Catholics who are now good Soviet atheists, and other less-Russian-than-other-Ukrainians people.
 
Thanks, everyone! :D

I forgot to put in one annotation, but then again, it's rather silly:

Mere hours after the codeword “Mjölnir” was given on the 16th...
STOPP! HAMMERZEIT!

Right, that's entirely too silly. On to the comments. :p

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Great update Tom Colton.:):D
Nice update by the way.
Thank you! :)

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Great update Tom, it was interesting to see Weber have a little moment of *Hitlerness by delaying the assault on Moscow here, but ironically enough, the move to delay the assault by Army Group Center on Moscow may ultimately work in the Germans favor in the end; rather then against them as per OTL.

The dynamic between the Reich and the recently declared independent states in the Baltic and Ukraine should be quite interesting as well, it seems Weber is quite content to leave the Baltics with at least nominal independence as long as they stay along Berlin's desired line, but Ukraine.... it seems the Veterinarian wants his office space.
Well, when it comes down to it, Weber really isn't a democratically elected leader, and is fairly used to getting his way. Friction between him and the generals was bound to happen eventually.

Office Space, you say? I can't but imagine Weber, Goering, and company just wailing on a Soviet piece of equipment in this scene now. :p

Interesting update.
So, Weber doesn't always agree with his general's ideas.
Weber seems to be willing to let the Baltic countries have some form of indipendence as long as they tow his line.

Well, for the time being anyway. Once the guns go silent Weber's line might just take a radical shift. :eek: Even Mitteleuropa didn't pretend to be anything but continental colonisation, after all.

Alas, poor Belarus.
If there ever was/could be a country more screwed than Poland that would be it.

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Great update.

I highly suspect what Antonescu did is going to bite him in the behind pretty badly. Weber's bound to play his cards with the man pretty carefully after a stunt like that.
Thank you! :)

Re: Transnistra and Odessa, "You earned it, you keep it, 'old buddy'." Antonescu can probably kiss Transylvania goodbye as a result, assuming Hungary-Romania politics don't change over time.

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If the GGR and friends fall early enough, imagine what the USSR is going to do to Ukraine... Russian SSR annexes up to the right bank of the Dnieper, Poland gets some land, Hungary and Romania keep some land... rump Western Ukraine SSR that includes Kiev and Odessa, and probably not much else...
I would think Russia would annex Kiev and Odessa and abolish Ukraine.
It depends on who is doing it, I'd suppose; I'd still bet on there being a rump Western Ukraine for all the ex-Catholics who are now good Soviet atheists, and other less-Russian-than-other-Ukrainians people.

Well, that depends wholly on how quickly Russia bounces back and whether they can take Germany down like they did in OTL. Given that this is only the first of the Nazi-Soviet wars, it's pretty much guaranteed it's going to be a slow and painful slog. If Stalin pops his clogs, a savvier Secretary-General might realise that Soviet repression kind of created the OUN in the first place and might take a different tack. Or not.
 
I kinda hope that Zhukov ends up in charge of the USSR when its all said and done somehow. Always thought he'd have been a good leader for Russia. Also how's the Pacific theater looking at the moment? I bet the Japanese aren't to happy about the ceasefire correct? Also I forget but did Roosevelt win a 3rd term or not?
 
So, the Ukrainians have declared independence and are now supporting the Third Reich… This will probably not turn out well for them when the tide of fortune starts to turn against the Nazis, judging by how the Soviets dealt with rebellions before.

(One small note - there is no (1) listed in this update, but it still appears in the footnotes.)
 
I kinda hope that Zhukov ends up in charge of the USSR when its all said and done somehow. Always thought he'd have been a good leader for Russia. Also how's the Pacific theater looking at the moment? I bet the Japanese aren't to happy about the ceasefire correct? Also I forget but did Roosevelt win a 3rd term or not?
The Soviet Union has a bit of a precedent in being antipathetic to overt military involvement in the leadership (Case Study 1: Trotsky), so unless Zhukov is planning a coup, this is unlikely to happen.

Japan is probably headed on a crash-course into Southeast Asia, as President Cordell Hull is very much continuing the policies which he would otherwise have enacted as Secretary of State in OTL.

So, the Ukrainians have declared independence and are now supporting the Third Reich… This will probably not turn out well for them when the tide of fortune starts to turn against the Nazis, judging by how the Soviets dealt with rebellions before.

(One small note - there is no (1) listed in this update, but it still appears in the footnotes.)
Oh yes, definitely not. Bandera and co. might have just dug their own graves. Unless the Soviets actually learn something from their previous repressions leading to exactly these sentiments, but then again maybe not.

Fixed, thanks! :)

(One small note - it's so nice you posted it twice. ;))
 
The Soviet Union has a bit of a precedent in being antipathetic to overt military involvement in the leadership (Case Study 1: Trotsky), so unless Zhukov is planning a coup, this is unlikely to happen.
Gotta imagine that given Weber's limited aims compared to Hitler that a coup by the military could actually happen depending on how Uncle Joe reacts to his peace offers.
 
Good update, as always.

How will the local opinions react when the Army will seize grain to feed the soldiers? Will Weber use Scheuleder and making the local beat up Poles, Jews and especially Reds to forever make them needing protection against Soviet repression? And is Mueller enlisting the help of locals?
 
Gotta imagine that given Weber's limited aims compared to Hitler that a coup by the military could actually happen depending on how Uncle Joe reacts to his peace offers.

Probably not. With the purges the Russians were too afraid of Stalin to counteract him. Indeed, when he fell into a depression and locked himself in his room just after the start of the war the government froze up until he finally came out.
 
Probably not. With the purges the Russians were too afraid of Stalin to counteract him. Indeed, when he fell into a depression and locked himself in his room just after the start of the war the government froze up until he finally came out.

True but don't forget that was facing a war of survival as well. Weber isn't looking to exterminate the entire Slavic race(least IIRC he isn't) so if he sets up fair peace terms and Stalin rejects them and keeps throwing men into a meat grinder a coup is realistic in that situation.
 
True but don't forget that was facing a war of survival as well. Weber isn't looking to exterminate the entire Slavic race(least IIRC he isn't) so if he sets up fair peace terms and Stalin rejects them and keeps throwing men into a meat grinder a coup is realistic in that situation.

He may not be looking to exterminate them, but read the opening quotes. Weber wants to enslave the Slavs and lower them to the level of animals. He doesn't care how many he has to kill to get that done, or how many he will ultimately kill.
 
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