Weber's Germany: The Veterinarian Totalitarian

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    "La plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous persuader qu'il n'existe pas."
    ("The finest trick of the devil is to persuade you that he does not exist.")
    Charles Baudelaire, Le spleen de Paris, XXIX (1862)

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    PROLOGUE

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    THE RISE AND FALL OF THE GREATER GERMAN REICH


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    Part 1: The Death of Hitler and the Rise of Weber


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    Part 2: One People, One Reich, One Leader


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    Part 3: The Foreign Policy of Germany Under Weber


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    Part 4: All Hell Breaks Loose


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    Part 5: The Calm Between the Storms


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    Part 6: Drive to the East


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    Part 7: Pax Germania


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    "BONUS" CONTENT


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    FRIEDRICH WEBER (DR.)
    1892 – 19██

    CHANCELLOR OF GERMANY
    1933 — 1939

    FÜHRER OF THE GREATER GERMAN REICH
    1939 – 19██

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    “Of course, our primary goal has always been the end of Bolshevism as propagated by the Russian devils. Were they to have their way, they would destroy every class and every culture and plant Soviets in every nation between them and the Atlantic Ocean. The victory over Bolshevism will be achieved by the destruction of Russia. However, we must consider the longer historical legacy of the Greater German Reich, and the conversion of the Slav-dominated lands into Germanic ones.”

    “When we train an animal we speak to it in human tongue and treat it as though it was human – to reasonable extents. We use words as our first recourse and violence as our last. Convince an animal it is human and it will follow our commands to the death. The Slavic peoples will never make achievement and their lands will never prosper without the firm hand of the Germanic people at their leash. As we train our hounds and our bullocks and our horses, so too must they be trained to accept their servitude.”

    “Why should we fear being outnumbered by animals? So long as they are fed and the pens are locked, the farmer does not live in fear of being outnumbered. We do not live in a fantasy world where the bullock, tired of pulling the plough, takes up arms against the farmhand, or where the chickens smash their eggs against the wall to stop the farmer from collecting them.”

    “If a dog is rabid it is for its own benefit that it is put down. If it has bitten its fellow hounds they too must be culled to prevent the infection from spreading further.”

    “The principle of artificial selection is simplicity itself. When we desire milk cows we breed those best suited for milk together. When we desire meat cows, we do likewise. We must hence seed out the purest of each population and encourage their proliferation. Just because a cow produces less milk or meat than its fellows, we do not remove it from the herd – we simply sequester it from the bulls and do not permit its breeding. Until it is dead it is still useful for milk; beyond that it is still useful for meat.”

    - Excerpts from various speeches by Friedrich Weber, leader of the National Socialist Party of Germany (NSDAP) and Führer of Germany.

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    Hi guys! This is my very first timeline ever, and it's primarily an exercise in exploring what if Nazi Germany had pursued a somewhat more pragmatic policy in World War II. It's generally understood that wouldn't be possible with Adolf Hitler as the Fuhrer, so I've picked a PoD where a certain Friedrich Weber instead ends up as the leader of Germany.

    A search of the forums reveals nobody else really mentioning Dr. Weber, so you can find a brief outline on Wikipedia over here. Given that he went into private veterinary practice following the Beer Hall Putsch, Friedrich Weber is somewhat of a historical enigma, freeing me to transplant whichever attitudes I so choose. His leadership of the Friekorps Oberland suggests his strong anti-Communist attitudes, which will go on to strongly inform his polices in the war to come.

    But I'm getting ahead of myself...
     
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  2. hasdrubal barca Well-Known Member

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    seems interesting i shall follow,:D
     
  3. kung Zog Headache utilizer

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    interesting indeed.
     
  4. The Mahnovite Banned

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    Wow, very original choice for an alternative leader of Germany! Although, I believe he'd need to be more realistic about England as well, and not go soft on them like Hitler wanted to. That was another one of Hitler's megablunders.
     
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    I wonder how such an unassuming man would get into office though. The NSDAP was all about talking big and thinking big at the expense of making practical or moral sense. Maybe the PoD can be that his anti-Bolshevik hatred is much stronger, but in a methodical, practical way — for example, the Jews might be enemies not simply because they are Jews, but because they represent worldwide seeds of Bolshevism. Thus, while the regime makes use of antisemitic rhetoric as part of Weber's anticommunist agenda, it does not become dead set on killing off every last Jewish person because the "problem" is more ideological and less physical.
     
  6. Hnau free radical

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    Damn, confused Friedrich with Max Weber. My comment was ruined. :(
     
  7. General Mosh Donor

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    Very interesting, I'll follow this. The quotes were very well done too.
     
  8. Tanner151 War Commander

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    Will follow this as well.
     
  9. Plumber Manifest Destiny inspired Lebensraum

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    Hey, Salazar did it, right? But I'm very interested in seeing how this goes.
     
  10. Spelf Habsburgs and Hot Dogs

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    A totalitarian bureaucratic state run by Max Weber? :D
     
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    Interesting... the way this sounds turns Germany into a pragmatic Imperial Japan (which, as terrible and evil as it was, was less about active genocide and more about a hellish slavery of all of East Asia to Japan).
     
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    Technocrat

    This guy sounds like a true technocrat. Cold and clinical and willing to use whatever methods to achieve the ends. He sees people as resources to be used and disposed of when they have worn out or outlived their usefulness.
     
  13. Tom Colton be great, don't denigrate Donor

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    Thanks for the shows of support, guys! Let me just respond to each of these...:)

    Thank you! I was surprised myself that nobody's ever chosen one of the more obscure leaders of the Munich Putsch, but maybe I'm just weird that way. :p As for England, Weber's attitudes towards it will be...interesting. Much of his hand will be forced by England's reactions to Germany's moves.

    Thank you! The man was a veterinary student, after all, and the Nazis already called the other races "inhuman". I'd figure animal analogies would be a natural consequence of the fusion. Unfortunately, the third paragraph can't really be said to be an Animal Farm reference as that was made after the war. But ce's la vie...

    "Unassuming man" as he was, he was still in charge of a component of the SA all the way until 1929, and he was still cavorting with Hitler and the other Nazi leaders (second image, he's all the way to the left - it's a memorial service for those who died in the Munich Putsch) as late as 1938. Admittedly, the precise circumstances of his ascendancy hinge on certain things falling into his lap, but I'm getting ahead of myself again...

    I certainly hope you're not judging that based on his glasses, or I'd be one too! :eek: I intend to make Weber certain degrees more pragmatic than Hitler, but the man did go into the clinical profession, so he had to have at least a pretty strong measure of compassion somewhere.

    Tsar Gringo and LeoXiao, I'm going to have to make you guys stop reading my mind. :p It's interesting that you bring up Imperial Japan - let's just say that the Southeast Asian front will be radically different due to Weber's policies outside of Europe...

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    The first update should be coming tomorrow! Stay tuned. :)
     
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    Well, Stalin certainly is going to be less willing to take this man at his word... will we still see an alternate version of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?

    And of course, in some ways being more pragmatic will actually backfire on Germany.
     
  15. Tanner151 War Commander

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    (sits in chair pondering, interlacing fingers) Will be watching this with much interest.
     
  16. Tanner151 War Commander

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    Also was Weber anti-Semitic or was he just so anti-Bolshevik that he combined elements of Antisemitism into it?
     
  17. LeX Well-Known Member

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    The German wikipedia article doesn't mention his views at all, just what he did and what positions he held.

    TTL's Germany being similar to Imperial Japan is an interesting idea and one I've thought would've come about even under, say, a victorious Kaiserreich.

    Looking forward to the next update.
     
  18. Orville_third Banned

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    I can see Henry A. Wallace, plant and animal breeder (besides being VP) taking a major role in US propaganda ITTL.
     
  19. brigand12 Active Member

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    This is an original and interesting concept. I look forward to more! :)
     
  20. RavenMM Banned Donor

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    I get the same technocratic vibe. His quotes seem to indicate he wants to be in total controle, and run his state like a ranch, with himself the rancher and everybody else the livestock. Maybe this is misleading, but I'll be following this TL, wonder what his germany looks like.

    And I don't think getting into clinical professions meens you have to be compassionate... some just do it for the money, the prestige, the interesting research, because your family forces you.... As so little is known about him, you can set his chracter as needs to be for an interesting story.
     
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