Weakening of the English Monarch gone different

Thande

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Hopw did we get offtrack to whatever the Normans did in North England anyways ;)
So Thande, as one of the resident Faces of England ;) , do you have any ideas on the topic proper?

Well, there were cases of English nobles getting a lot of regional power, they were just less common and more scattered than in Germany. A good example is the Percys of Northumberland: a successful Percy revolt in the 1400s could be the start of an English disintegration. At the time, it would just mean the Percys get their candidate on the throne instead of the Tudor, but in the long run it could pave the way to a regional breakup.
 
A good example is the Percys of Northumberland: a successful Percy revolt in the 1400s could be the start of an English disintegration. At the time, it would just mean the Percys get their candidate on the throne instead of the Tudor, but in the long run it could pave the way to a regional breakup.



Would the tripartite indenture count as a good start?
 
Just my two cents , but its hard to compare a somewhat insulated island from what might be considered the crossroads of Europe.

Both of the area's are influenced by the dynamics of its location. England was relatively easier to keep control of, while Germany (for lack of a better term), was constantly under the influence of all the parties in Europe trying to gain a leg up both socially and religiously.

Perhaps just the geographical proximity led to Germany taking longer to coalesce(?) in its own way. At least they had Poland as a buffer zone against the trouble makers to the East.
 
If we have the PoD as a different battle of Shrewsbury:

with either Hotspur, or Hotspur and his father defeating the future Henry V, followed by something similar to the tripartite indenture - agreed after defeat at Shrewsbury - dividing England and Wales between Edmund Mortimer, Owen Glendower (or Owain Glyndwr, if you insist :p) and the Percy's, then we have a good place to start.

If Mortimer is crowned as Edmund I, and recognised by the other two as king of the whole, with no real power over them, we have a figurehead with little power outside his own lands - HRE style.

Whether we can then split these three parts into anything smaller, i don't really know.

Alternatively, could this 'England', for want of a better phrase, end up incorporating Brittany and Scotland? :confused:

This may not be likely, but they won't fear domination by a divided England, so maybe.

Then we can have a Mortimer 'King', with groups below him, probably fighting both each other and the king, but uniting if threatened by foreign foes such as the French...


Is this plausible in the least?
 
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