Watchmen (HBO-TV) Series

lukedalton

Mr_ Bondoc said:
Or conveniently forget that Superman arrested Hitler and Stalin in one his first issues in 1940, or forget that Professor X and Magneto represented MLK Jr. , v. Malcolm X,...
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Yeah, past comic never ever talked about politic ever no sir, absolutely not


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KuboCaskett

KuboCaskett

Never read the comic nor seen the show but I have a good feeling the media loves to make a big deal out of a gaggle of morons who think everything to the left of them are SJWs and conflate them with a larger group of people who might have legit concerns about said show.
 

lukedalton

KuboCaskett said:
Never read the comic nor seen the show but I have a good feeling the media loves to make a big deal out of a gaggle of morons who think everything to the left of them are SJWs and conflate them with a larger group of people who might have legit concerns about said show.
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Regarding the comic, it was wrote by an english author in the middle of the 80's...the possibility that was not political was less than statistical
 

Igeo654

lukedalton said:
Yeah, past comic never ever talked about politic ever no sir, absolutely not


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The worst part is that that actually happened. Back when Steve Ditko was doing the writing on occasions.

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But seriously, who do these ''critics'' think they are? These people were never true Watchmen fans, otherwise, they'd realise how ridiculous their comments are. They don't want this show to be ''political?'' Watchmen IS political. Watchmen has ALWAYS been political. They're just upset because the show isn't glorifying their side of the political spectrum. Ultimately, they're afraid of it lessening the influence of their own ''heroes''. Nearly every time someone on the net says they don't want comics or entertainment to be political, nearly every time they say that they want them to ''just tell stories'' or ''be fun'', it's really just a sign of cowardice towards anything that attacks or shames their views.
 
Mr_ Bondoc

Mr_ Bondoc

Even the family friendly Fantastic Four was a Kennedy-esque spin on the space program, IronMan and Tony Stark were based on Howard Hueghes, and the Incredible Hulk was based on Oppenheimer's fears on the atomic bomb.
 
KuboCaskett

KuboCaskett

Mr_ Bondoc said:
Even the family friendly Fantastic Four was a Kennedy-esque spin on the space program, IronMan and Tony Stark were based on Howard Hueghes, and the Incredible Hulk was based on Oppenheimer's fears on the atomic bomb.
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I'm aware of the fact that many media have inspirations from historical or cultural events which in turn are caused by politics, one way or the other, regardless of any intentions of escapism. However there's a difference between being something a number of people can enjoy (almost) regardless of politics and being propaganda, even if some can agree with the message and when there's an overlap between the two.
 
Mr_ Bondoc

Mr_ Bondoc

KuboCaskett said:
I'm aware of the fact that many media have inspirations from historical or cultural events which in turn are caused by politics, one way or the other, regardless of any intentions of escapism. However there's a difference between being something a number of people can enjoy (almost) regardless of politics and being propaganda, even if some can agree with the message and when there's an overlap between the two.
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Sometimes people deliberately misinterpret or ignore the message, since it is clearly sending a message to them and challenging a belief system. Case and point, with the Watchmen, the message has always been " people who dress up in costume to fight crime, would be messed up people..." In the graphic novel and comic, this was shown as a sexual fetish. In the TV series, this was expanded to include issues of race and white supremacy....
 
KuboCaskett

KuboCaskett

Mr_ Bondoc said:
Sometimes people deliberately misinterpret or ignore the message, since it is clearly sending a message to them and challenging a belief system. Case and point, with the Watchmen, the message has always been " people who dress up in costume to fight crime, would be messed up people..." In the graphic novel and comic, this was shown as a sexual fetish. In the TV series, this was expanded to include issues of race and white supremacy....
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I see, nothing wrong with dealing with race and racism, white supremacy isn't the only stupid form of racism you know; though again there's like better ways to have media tackle racism than "look at dem 'what-right' trolls complainin' about our totally enlightening show". Mind I remind you that they did the mainstream media did the same tactic when the Ghostbusters reboot was coming out and made everyone who didn't like and or had issues with the film out to be all "sexist, miso-ginist something something pigs", though the film didn't deal with gender issues given the escapist nature of the series.

Also when the Joker film was coming out and despite having the character in question being something that the media might connect with, the media were like hyping up an alleged something something far right attempts to shoot up theaters Aurora style and that the film might be what-right propaganda just because the Joker is a white cishet male. Point is the media these will always try to hype up something stupid, whether it'd be the alleged far right nerds being a "menace" to something that might not be much popular or an alleged murder spree inspired by something; that and make something automatically good just because the leads are non-white cishet males to an extent, regardless of the quality of the medium in question.
 

lukedalton

Mr_ Bondoc said:
Sometimes people deliberately misinterpret or ignore the message, since it is clearly sending a message to them and challenging a belief system. Case and point, with the Watchmen, the message has always been " people who dress up in costume to fight crime, would be messed up people..." In the graphic novel and comic, this was shown as a sexual fetish. In the TV series, this was expanded to include issues of race and white supremacy....
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The last point was also, IRC, in the module for the RPG of Watchmen in the 80's and that's is basically considered canon
 

Deleted member 92121

Anarchist writes comic book in 1980's Britain where the main plot is morally grey violent vigilantes cought in the middle of an impending nuclear war between a nixonian United States and the Soviet Union

Dum Dum: This is fine

Show based on the comic book deals with racial tensions in a left-wing america

Dum Dum: Why did you bring politics into Watchmen!?!
 

Danthefan28

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So we actually kinda have an idea as to what the Minutemen (Ozymandias, Nite Owl, Silk Spectre and Dr Manhattan) looked like.



Gotta admit Dr Manhattan kinda looks familiar...



 
Mr_ Bondoc

Mr_ Bondoc

So far. It looks like the ATL is already contradicting Doomsday Clock, (DC Comics) with many of the events of the series, including the adoption of children, and the reaction to Rorschach's journal being published only being believed by fringe groups, and certainly no trans-dimensional travels...,...
 
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