I'm sorry. I read an attitude in your posts that you hadn't intended on expressing. I'm still of the opinion that if the name of TTL Canada is to be changed it should be changed to Vesperia.
Washington Burns: A Story of Alternate America
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Yeah this was pointed out once already, I have just not had a chance to go back and make edits. And that sounds like a pretty decent way to fix it actually, thanks!
Whoops! I will go and make sure this gets fixed.
I'll review that soon when I go back to make edits. It's possible that one of the Northern free states went Republican in the vote due to a high number of "anti-Party" Democrats that went rogue. Again, I'll take a look and fix that.
So with the 16th Amendment, all I said was "by the narrowest of margins." Which we can chalk up to the narrowest of margins to get a 2/3rds majority.
With the other vote, I will go back and review, and if need be edit and change the numbers. Part of the thing to remember is, that after the "Devil's Bargain," that puts Hamilton Jr. in the Presidency, it wasn't just Republicans that were upset, so it is plausible for this to not just be a Republican cause.
Thanks for pointing this stuff out! I will definitely go back and review soon and make changes that are needed.
That's fair enough, I would go with Borealia If it wasn't for Borealian being so awkward to say.
I am torn, part of the time I like Vesperia for it's uniqueness, plus the fact that Vesperians isn't as awkward to say, but I like how Borealia matches with Australia.
Okay, here is a map of North America circa 1858, on the eve of the rebellion:
Couple of notes:
- The boundary between Texas and California is kinda arbitrary....tbh I don't like it, but I don't know where to move it to.
- I made the British territory that had "province" status pink, to make them stand out more against the rest of British North America
Couple of notes:
- The boundary between Texas and California is kinda arbitrary....tbh I don't like it, but I don't know where to move it to.
- I made the British territory that had "province" status pink, to make them stand out more against the rest of British North America
Could we discuss alternate state names for the US/province names for Canada/Vesperia? For example, the name "Cascadia" could work as both the name for the area of OTL Washington the British got or OTL Oregon.
Sure! I'm definitely open to ideas. I think that Oregon will probably remain Oregon (though I do like Cascadia...maybe that will get used on the British side?
And I have plenty of territory to fill in between the existing states and Oregon. Kanasaw is the territory west of Missouri in most of OTL Kansas. South of that, in OTL Oklahoma, is Jefferson. Those are the only states ITTL that didn't exist at all. Iowa includes portions of OTL Minnesota that remained in the US after the Wisconsin Treaty in 1817.
But the rest of "Upper Louisiana" needs to be divided out and named. And eastern Oregon territory won't be part of the state.
And that is just the US. In Canada, I'm wide open to suggestions. I kind of like the idea of one of the territories being named Victoria. That, or maybe the Canadians/Vesparians/Borealians will build a new capital city and name it Victoria? I know it is a little cliche, but I still like it.
The Cascade mountains run at least partially through the British territory, so the name "Cascadia" could apply to that territory.
What are the names of the Presidents of this timeline? That could be a source of state names. It should be considered inevitable that a state would be named "Washington". It'd be a good idea to have a labeled state map to see how names changed.
Athabasca, Assiniboia, and Keewatin were used as names of districts in the unincorporated Northwest territories, like the OTL names of Alberta and Saskatchewan. They could be used as province names ITTL. Having the capital be named "Victoria" might be tricky since the capital of British Columbia of the same name has existed for about 9 years at this point, though a POD in 1812 could have butterflied it away. Where could they have built a new city for the capital of Canada/Vesperia? I'm thinking a site on the Great Lakes could be a good idea.
I always have preferred Casacadia to British Columbia and Victoria is already the Capital of BC OTL, you don't have to change anything to get s city called that.
Again Ottawa is basically smack dap in the middle of the great lakes, I don't see why you couldn't have it in basically the same spot
It's just that it's impractical to have the capital be in the West until the railroad can link BC/Cascadia to the rest of the country. A location on the Great Lakes would be better since it'd be easier on the infrastructure of the new country.
No that's not what I meant, I was saying he doesn't need to change anything to get a Victoria city, I wasn't advocating making it the Capital of the whole country.
I've never liked how we picked a podunk little town to be the capital of our country. I was thinking a location on OTL Saginaw Bay, Michigan since the British fought hard to obtain those territories from America.
I was just thinking that one of the states should be called Washington (especially since there is already a Jefferson). Other Presidents (since the PoD) are: Crawford, Clay, Hamilton Jr., Calhoun, Brandon, Yates, Haines, Lee, and Hawthorne (though the likelihood of HIM getting a state named after him is pretty unlikely).
Victoria was founded in 1846 OTL, so that is easy enough to butterfly away. As for where a purpose-built *Canadian capital would be located....the Great Lakes sounds cool, but I wonder if there would be a fear of American attack? I'm definitely open to suggestion, as I only know some basics about Canadian geography.
I definitely see some of that territory becoming Cascadia. And see above about Victoria BC. Likely doesn't exist ITTL.
The Great Lakes area is where the majority of the *Canadian population is located. It doesn't make sense to build a capital city in barren Rupertsland and the east is a little too well-settled to build a brand-new city in. Maybe the *Canadian capital could've started out as a fort on the Great Lakes to protect commercial shipping on the lakes. I still think that Saginaw Bay is a fairly decent location geography-wise.
Picking a capital from a place taken from the Americans will be seen as pandering to them and it wouldn't go over well with the The other colonials.
Perhaps the city of York is rechristened as Victoria instead of becoming Toronto, in honour of the queen.
You may be right there, on the other hand it could be seen as a gesture on the part of the locals to show their loyalty and to show the integration of the old American territories into the British Empire. Also, keep in mind these areas are booming right now, with rapid growth in Detroit and Milwaukee. They will have some real political clout (granted not enough on their own to trump that of the older, more settled regions of *Canada).
Toronto becoming Victoria instead and the capital also sounds interesting.
So maybe the former American territories try to get the capital in their lands and then York/Toronto is picked as a compromise between people wanting Montreal and people wanting it to be in Michigan. It's then renamed Victoria as a tribute to the Queen.
Saginaw Bay might be interesting. On the other hand, maybe having it across Lake Huron in Georgian Bay, on the OTL Canada side, might be better. It would be centrally located for most of the populated part of the new country, but in the British side and not in Michigan.
It is also important to point out that by the time *Canada becomes a separate Dominion/Kingdom/Federation/etc., Michigan and Wisconsin will have been part of the British Empire for 50 years or more (since 1817). Most of the people living no longer really remember being part of the United States, and the American Settler descendants, while helping the regions maintain their identity, will be a minority of the population in those territories, mixed in this plenty of fresh blood from the Empire, along with some emigres from the United States (and likely a small but noticeable population of former slaves and Freedmen).