Rugby seems pretty likely and logical, just have rugby in North America evolve in sync with English rugby instead of taking a few different turns to become American football.
Washington Burns: A Story of Alternate America
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With gay rights being a bigger issue much earlier the OTL, will there be similar earlier recognition of Trans people? And do we have an awesome symbol like the Pride flag yet? 
I’m not a big fan of Purist/Purifiers as the name of the religionous movement. Maybe something more like...Foundationist? As in they’re getting back to the original foundations of their faith
I’m not a big fan of Purist/Purifiers as the name of the religionous movement. Maybe something more like...Foundationist? As in they’re getting back to the original foundations of their faith
That's essentially what I was thinking. Like I said, I'm going to do some reading on that and we will see what comes of it.
With gay rights being a bigger issue much earlier the OTL, will there be similar earlier recognition of Trans people? And do we have an awesome symbol like the Pride flag yet?
I’m not a big fan of Purist/Purifiers as the name of the religionous movement. Maybe something more like...Foundationist? As in they’re getting back to the original foundations of their faith
RE: trans rights, yes there will likely be earlier recognition. I would say that discussion and early research is probably already underway in Boston and a few other places, and will probably become more common knowledge in the 60s and 70s.
There is an early symbol of the homophilic movement, two interlocking circles that are meant to symbolize two people in love regardless of gender. Nothing more concrete yet. I'm sure that something would likely emerge by the end of the 50s. Open to some suggestions there.
Foundationists could also work. Though with the purification concept, these people believe that the major Christian denominations in the United States have become corrupted and need to be cleansed or purified, to restore the Church back to those foundations.
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Sorry, I meant to respond when you posted this! Weekend got crazy and then this week has been hella busy.
I definitely like this, especially as an early version of the symbol. I think it might evolve over time, and I'm totally open to ideas about alternative symbols. The OTL ones are pretty specific to developments in our own time, so I don't think they'd work, I know that much.
Also, just fyi, not sure when I'll get the next update out. I have the outline of the Nolan Presidency done, but actually writing out the articles has been slow going. Work is busy and there are a lot of outside activities I have going on too.
I definitely like this, especially as an early version of the symbol. I think it might evolve over time, and I'm totally open to ideas about alternative symbols. The OTL ones are pretty specific to developments in our own time, so I don't think they'd work, I know that much.
Also, just fyi, not sure when I'll get the next update out. I have the outline of the Nolan Presidency done, but actually writing out the articles has been slow going. Work is busy and there are a lot of outside activities I have going on too.
It's been super freaking busy on my end, too. Everything's happening at once, it feels like.
Work progresses (slowly) on the next update. Written up through 1950.
I will say, that this update will seem rather bleak (and that probably isn't surprising seeing as how Nolan has become president), but things won't stay bleak forever. Remember, Communalist Georgina Lincoln will win the 1960 Presidential Election.
And I did some further planning tonight, just little snippets, and the state of Massachusetts will be the first US state to legalize same-sex marriage in 1984, which will gain nation-wide legalization in 1991. Also, I've included a same-sex royal wedding in the mix in 1990.
In other news, I can confirm that the American-Chinese Cold War will be a thing, and things will get tense under Nolan's leadership in regards to China.
If all goes according to plan, I should hopefully have the next update done before Thanksgiving here in the US. I've got a rather busy week coming up this week, but I have the week of Thanksgiving off so I'm definitely planning on having some writing time then.
I will say, that this update will seem rather bleak (and that probably isn't surprising seeing as how Nolan has become president), but things won't stay bleak forever. Remember, Communalist Georgina Lincoln will win the 1960 Presidential Election.
And I did some further planning tonight, just little snippets, and the state of Massachusetts will be the first US state to legalize same-sex marriage in 1984, which will gain nation-wide legalization in 1991. Also, I've included a same-sex royal wedding in the mix in 1990.
In other news, I can confirm that the American-Chinese Cold War will be a thing, and things will get tense under Nolan's leadership in regards to China.
If all goes according to plan, I should hopefully have the next update done before Thanksgiving here in the US. I've got a rather busy week coming up this week, but I have the week of Thanksgiving off so I'm definitely planning on having some writing time then.
Work progresses (slowly) on the next update. Written up through 1950.
I will say, that this update will seem rather bleak (and that probably isn't surprising seeing as how Nolan has become president), but things won't stay bleak forever. Remember, Communalist Georgina Lincoln will win the 1960 Presidential Election.
And I did some further planning tonight, just little snippets, and the state of Massachusetts will be the first US state to legalize same-sex marriage in 1984, which will gain nation-wide legalization in 1991. Also, I've included a same-sex royal wedding in the mix in 1990.
In other news, I can confirm that the American-Chinese Cold War will be a thing, and things will get tense under Nolan's leadership in regards to China.
If all goes according to plan, I should hopefully have the next update done before Thanksgiving here in the US. I've got a rather busy week coming up this week, but I have the week of Thanksgiving off so I'm definitely planning on having some writing time then.
I'm guessing that the Chinese have a sphere of influence with a few more conservative-minded monarchies versus the increasingly left-leaning America.
Kingdom of Vietnam and Kingdom of Thailand are definitely in their sphere of influence. I could also see minority groups in Japan that would seek to restore the monarchy also receiving aid from China. Farther afield...Persia, and possibly some of the soon-to-be independent nations that once made up the Ottoman Federation.
When was the Japanese monarchy abolished? Because I think it’d be ironic if the Japanese monarchists were opposed by the man who would’ve been Emperor Akihito since he could’ve become accustomed to elective office. Like how the Bulgarians elected their last king their Prime Minister in 2001 in OTL.
Hmm. Intriguing idea. I'll have to look into the specifics.
Japan fell under British domination in the 1870s, though the Emperor was still technically on the throne. Then in 1899, when Queen Victoria was assassinated, a long civil war broke out that lasted until the republican armies won in 1909, marking the start of the Japanese Republic.
EDIT: Japan fell under British dominion during the reign of OTL Emperor Komei, the father of Emperor Meiji (known as Emperor Torimono ITTL). Torimono would be the last Emperor of Japan, toppled by the civil war. His life was quite different from that of OTL, so it is unlikely that Hirohito or Akihito would have been born.
Fair enough. While the specific people wouldn't exist I still think that it'd be deliciously ironic that the man the Japanese monarchists would want to put on the throne would be one of the strongest opponents of restoring the Emperor.
Still makes very little sense, about as much sense as Catholics marching on Rome and abolishing the Papacy.
Abolishing the political role of the office, though? Completely believable.
Hmm. That's possible. Brazil is definitely more conservative than pretty much any country in North America, and once the NAU get's off the ground and becomes an ever more cohesive bloc, I could see China and Brazil getting a little cozy.
Question for everyone.
One thing I've been toying with is having President Lincoln decide to NOT live in Washington House when she takes office in 1961. The basic premise being that, about the time she takes office, the building is in serious need of renovation a la Truman's in OTL. When this happens, Lincoln decides that her family has no need to live in the structure, even after the restoration is complete, instead allowing more of the building to be open to the public as a museum while she lives in a more modest town house. The executive office would remain her place of work, and of course all official state functions would be held there, but she refuses to reside at the mansion during her six years in office (something that some future presidents will follow in, especially any future Communalists).
Thoughts?
I like it. Would she have a more modern and secure office for day to day work? Is it run by the National Park Service?
Potentially? Obviously, she would need somewhere to work while Washington House was restored, and that would take 2-3 years at least, if not longer. Once that is over, she may move to working at the mansion, at least part time. Keep in mind, Washington House is much larger than the old White House (even with the more modern expansions OTL). So there is a full multi-story wing for executive office functions much bigger that the OTL West Wing. I could see her returning to work there in the "office building" section, while declining to live in the "decadent" private apartments of the president went against her Communalist principles.
Technically this could mean that the President could end up with two official residences. It all depends on whether the more “traditional” parties would be so willing to follow the Communalist example. If they are then Washington House becomes an office building/museum. If they aren’t then Washington House’s residential section gets broken out every time a more conservative President is elected. I’m also assuming that the townhouse President Lincoln lives in would be christened the Lincoln Townhouse after she leaves office. It’s only natural that she’d sign it over to the government for other Communalist, or Communalist-sympathizing, parties to use.
That’s about how I see it too. I think it will largely be up to who succeeds Lincoln in 1966. If it’s another Communalist or a Liberal, odds are a precedent will be set (public will be used to having Washington House as a museum). If a Nationalist wins, they will move back into Washington House and we could see thos back and forth, or Lincoln’s residence could end up being a fluke.