That may not actually be true, depending on how much you trust polling. According to a 2017 poll, 37 percent of the Russian population wouldn't be against restoring the monarchy. Assuming this is true, monarchism in Russia may not be as strong as it is in Libya, Nepal or Afghanistan, but it's stronger than in most other European republics.
Was Tsar Nicholas II a good ruler?
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Uh seems fairly clear that they were trying to understand his life and actions through a lense of childhood trauma (and victims of abuse suffer trauma, whether that abuse was a commonly accepted as part of society or not), so...emphatically not moralization.
"Showing example on top is useful and so is trying to live according to your means"
This, however, is moralization.
For a time the Church of England held Charles I up as a martyr. Seems getting killed for being an incompetent moron makes a king somehow holy.
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At least Charles provoked a revolt over his religious policies. And lost it.
Nicholas II being killed unjustly, massacred with his family, has nothing to do with him actually being a good sovereign or even a good person.
It is imaginable that a non-Bolshevik Russian court might well have convicted the man of crimes against the Russian people, even executing him, and could have done so at the end of a legitimate judicial process. Certainly there were crimes aplenty he could be prosecuted for.
Going from having little power and being a victim of those with power to having absolute power over a vast empire is the sort of shift In would bet few people could manage successfully, without help. Nicholas II was not one of those.
Quite. Now, if Nicholas II had been brought up in what we would consider a normal middle-class household, that would be rather different. Sadly, he was not.
His antisemitic tutor Konstantin Pobedonostsev, infamously quoted as saying Jews were parasites upon other races, and that he wanted a third of Russian Jews to be converted, a third to be exiled, and the remaining third to be exterminated.
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When I read Libya, I presumed you meant a return to Gaddafi's family as the pseudo-monarchial but still Republican leaders, considering that Saif is the prospective front-runner of the next Presidential election.
But then I remembered "oh wait, Libya had a monarchy after the Italians and before Gaddafi." I just plain forgot about Idris of Libya, the last King that Gaddafi was the one to coup. That's a little embarrassing on my end.
I'm pretty sure that's what the Ustaše had planned for the Serbs during WWII.
I'm dubious about the martyrdom bit. For the Second Civil War he had promised the Scots he would impose their version of a Calvinist & Presbyterian Church throughout his Three Kingdoms. Doesn't seem a commitment to the Episcopalian Anglicanism he had previously espoused and caused Scots to rebel. Though he defied Cromwell when making the same request so maybe he'd have reneged on the Scots.
Incompetent Moron is spot on. Anyone who creates Civil Wars in Three Kingdoms, a rebellion in Ireland (OK, not that difficult) and invasions of each by a second Kingdom has no talents for governing.
The Chetnik plan for the Muslim Bosniaks was similar as well. Yugoslavia has rarely lacked for plans of ethnic cleansing.
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The same church that's denying war-crimes in Ukraine and blessing Russian military weapons as we speak.
Simply not to judge others. It is very easy to say this or that person was horrible but not think of our own failings.
I hit my sister when I was 10 because she ate my milky bar. Clearly I shouldn’t judge Hitler for the Holocaust.
The criterion of "good" for "ruler" is continuation of rule.
No. No he wasn't.
That's it.
Advanced achievements are people believing you're a good ruler. Ruling using the methods people like. Etc.
Did he maintain his rule? No. Not a good ruler.
Consult with Cromwell for the earliest modern documented case of poor and good rulership compared.
No. No he wasn't.
That's it.
Advanced achievements are people believing you're a good ruler. Ruling using the methods people like. Etc.
Did he maintain his rule? No. Not a good ruler.
Consult with Cromwell for the earliest modern documented case of poor and good rulership compared.
Legitimate or not he was a genuinely popular saint in the aftermath of the restoration, especially amongst high church and tories. Much like Nicholas in the sense that it’s probably more about what was done to him than by him. Although Charles was bizarrely both a better person than Nicholas and more justifiably executed.
Personally speaking, I haven't orchestrated any pogroms, promoted ethnic cleansing, ordered genocidal policies in my Asian provinces to maintain unaccountable rule, rejected constitutionalism as a 'foolish dream' or any such thing. Certainly I have flaws aplenty, but I think I can say with perfect candour that Nicolas was a worse person, thank you very much.
It seems the Orthodox Church saw him as acting how ever incorrectly as a man of his era. As He himself said to Keresky. "Damn it I'm a father with a family" How much of his actions came from the advise of the mystics around him, Rasputin was only the most well known, Only Historians know.
It might also be worth knowing that the Russian Orthodox Church in 2017 decided to seriously consider the question of whether Nicholas and his family were victims of a ritual killing, i.e..by Jews.
'Ritual Killing'? Probe Into Murder Of Tsar's Family Spotlights Old 'Anti-Semitic' Conspiracy Theory
Prominent Russian Jewish community figures have slammed public statements from a top investigator and a priest known as Vladimir Putin's confessor that give credence to an old myth that Jews murdered Nicholas II and his family in a "ritual killing."
www.rferl.org
In light of this it is worth questioning the relevance of the ROC's evaluation of Nicholas as a moral figure.
I would also note that very many of Nicholas' contemporaries, inside and outside of Russia, were deeply critical of the man's actions as a ruler. At times, especially at outstanding events like the Beilis trial, this was enough to complicate Russia's foreign relations.