Was Iberia always bound to be reconquered by the western powers?

By the 11th century Al Andalus was fully Muslim not Christian majority
yes, because the population had two options in that period, the conversion or the sword (remembering that in that period the region was controlled by fanatics)
With unconverted Christians fleeing to the northern Christian kingdoms
hence why the reconquista had to do so many expulsions and inquisitions
The Spanish Inquisition was a way of attacking newly converted Catholics (in the same way that Arabs attacked new converts to Islam in Andalus) and Jews
 
Sort of. Really, the main reason Christians were able to reconquer Iberia was entirely down to the Christian kingdoms in the north of Spain in Galicia and Asturias, and later Castile, Leon and Navarre. The fact they were never conquered meant the Christian nobility there could be a constant thorn in the side of whatever Muslim power controlled Iberia at the time, either raiding deep into the Iberian heartland when the Muslims were strong or straight up conquering more and more of it when the Muslims were weak, using both God and Gold to recruit adventuring warriors from across Christendom to do so. Without these kingdoms(s) there wouldn't ever really be any Christian political entity to continually care about reconquering Iberia. France would be the only entity to border this Iberia and just like in our timeline thanks to the decentralized nature of the kingdom, any French King would be far too focused on keeping the realm together to care about reconquering Iberia, and so would mostly be content with stopping them at the Pyrenees. At best maybe the pope might declare a crusade on a Muslim Iberian power if the Muslim power tried to particularly oppress Christians, but this is very unlikely considering Iberia doesn't actually hold any religious signifigance to Christianity unlike the Holy Land. In any case where somehow Christians do invade and conquer a portion of Iberia, in all likelyhood the Muslim power would just reconquer it once they're in a stronger position before the Christians can permanently entrench themselves. There's still a small chance Iberia would be able to be reconquered but without the Northern Christian Kingdoms, it makes it incredibly unlikely.

Thankfully, it's fairly easy to ensure there's no such kingdoms to resist a Muslim Iberian Power. All you have to do is make it so Pelayo never escapes Cordoba. Pelayo's leadership was vital to early Christian resistance in the North, becoming a figure to rally around for the Visigothic nobility after winning the Battle of Convadonga, founding the political entity that would later become the Kingdom of Asturias. Without him no Christian political entity forms in the North and instead the Umayyads can assert and solidify their influence over the region. beginning to convert it along with the other parts of Iberia.

This is actually one of the main PoDs I'm going with for my Alt-History Universe I'm writing for a mod I'm going to create for Victoria 3 when it comes out, called The Cordoban Century, featuring a Muslim South America, a surviving Inca empire, a new Mesoamerican power that takes over from the Aztecs - the Purepecha Empire, a Nordic England, an Emirate of Cordoba that's in decline, a united and revolutionary Italy, a PLC that's currently the world's foremost power having conquered Russia and started Industrialization - though one that's going to run head first into Nationalism, and much much more that will make for some fun gameplay.
 
This is actually one of the main PoDs I'm going with for my Alt-History Universe I'm writing for a mod I'm going to create for Victoria 3 when it comes out, called The Cordoban Century, featuring a Muslim South America, a surviving Inca empire,
This is very interesting, due to the fact that without the conquest of the Incas, the colony (country) may have to colonize the region of la Plata as well. Taking control of the Amazon Rivers and Rivers of the prata Basin. if it is two countries, we have two very strong Muslim powers. With one in the grancolombia region and one in the otl region brazil and argentina.
a Nordic England
hardrada won?
an Emirate of Cordoba that's in decline
was there a religious break between cordoba and the western caliphate?
a PLC that's currently the world's foremost power having conquered Russia and started Industrialization - though one that's going to run head first into Nationalism, and much much more that will make for some fun gameplay.
mega slavic empire?
 
yes, because the population had two options in that period, the conversion or the sword (remembering that in that period the region was controlled by fanatics)
With unconverted Christians fleeing to the northern Christian kingdoms

The Spanish Inquisition was a way of attacking newly converted Catholics (in the same way that Arabs attacked new converts to Islam in Andalus) and Jews

Neither of those points are really relevant to the OP's question. Andalus wasn't conquered because its population was majority Christian.

It was conquered because the Umayyads failed to conquer Galicia and Asturias and during times of Andalusian weakness those kingdoms slowly chipped away at the Moors until they were strong enough to conquer them.
 
It was conquered because the Umayyads failed to conquer Galicia and Asturias and during times of Andalusian weakness those kingdoms slowly chipped away at the Moors until they were strong enough to conquer them.
no, it was not for the failure of the conquest of the Christian kingdoms. It was the sole fault of Andalus (which I must remember imploded on its own), who had an ethnic caste, a stupid form of heritability, hostility from the elites to new Muslims (Iberian Muslims), an exaggerated use of slave armies and the fact that the prime minister had much power.
the fault of the fall of andalus is exclusively of andalus. All their problems could have been solved with government reforms, a break in ethnic semi-castes, a local army, a more organized heritability and of course less powers for the prime minister.
They were one of the richest, most scholarly and culturally influential nations in the world. They fell out of their own incompetence to refuse to reform, as was the case with many empires.
 
Neither of those points are really relevant to the OP's question. Andalus wasn't conquered because its population was majority Christian.

It was conquered because the Umayyads failed to conquer Galicia and Asturias and during times of Andalusian weakness those kingdoms slowly chipped away at the Moors until they were strong enough to conquer them.
Excatly but seems his bias are talking

the Main thing is that splitting from the main caliphate cost them, the Abasasid would have destroyed those mountain kingdoms easily once they were reorganizing everything
 
By the 11th century Al Andalus was fully Muslim not Christian majority

hence why the reconquista had to do so many expulsions and inquisitions
I am talking about the time of the failed campaign in Francia.

I think the Arabs did well in Iberia to survive as long as they did OTL.
 
I am talking about the time of the failed campaign in Francia.

I think the Arabs did well in Iberia to survive as long as they did OTL.
yes it was quite impressive. With the right reforms could last indefinitely as a single government. it's not that hard to keep andalus functional.

There is the idea of Andalus becoming part of the Abbasid, that seems good at first. But Andalus was considered a very border region far from the important parts of the caliphate which had a base in the Mesopotamian area. If Andalus remains part of the Caliphate, the region will not shine (as it did in OTL) and will likely be conquered sooner. It was very far away, of little value compared to Persia or Egypt. In the first crisis Andalus would be abandoned.
 
I’m not sure, but could the late 9th/early 10th century andalusi fitna have gone differently and resulted in a strengthening of Muwallad political power? It seems like it would probably be beneficial in the long term. From what I’ve read the instabilities largely didn’t threaten Umayyad legitimacy (ibn Hafsun’s revolt aside) so it seems it may be possible to keep the emirate going no?
 
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I’m not sure, but could the late 9th/early 10th century andalusi fitna have gone differently and resulted in a strengthening of Muwallad political power? It seems like it would probably be beneficial in the long term. From what I’ve read the instabilities largely didn’t threaten Umayyad legitimacy (ibn Hafsun’s revolt aside) so it seems it may be possible to keep the emirate going no?
solving this problem the emirate would have some minor problems but nothing deadly, most could be solved with time.
 
At best maybe the pope might declare a crusade on a Muslim Iberian power if the Muslim power tried to particularly oppress Christians, but this is very unlikely considering Iberia doesn't actually hold any religious signifigance to Christianity unlike the Holy Land. In any case where somehow Christians do invade and conquer a portion of Iberia, in all likelyhood the Muslim power would just reconquer it once they're in a stronger position before the Christians can permanently entrench themselves. There's still a small chance Iberia would be able to be reconquered but without the Northern Christian Kingdoms, it makes it incredibly unlikely.
There were the Northern Crusades, and it's very hard to argue that Prussia and the Baltic region has any more significance to Christianity than Iberia; indeed, rather the opposite, as a lot of important early Christian figures were in fact from Iberia (merely because it was an important part of the Roman Empire, of course, but still). You dismiss France because the kings there are going to be too busy trying to consolidate power over their nobles, and while this is true...a good war can be helpful with this! A bunch of newly conquered land clearly changes the power balance in the kingdom, and anyway nobles, being an important part of the army, might end up getting killed in battle or by disease while campaigning. So there are advantages from the point of view of the royal power in directing the nobles down south. While wiping out the Christian kingdoms of the north is certainly very helpful for prolonging the life of Andalusia, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the possibility of a French conquest.
 
This is very interesting, due to the fact that without the conquest of the Incas, the colony (country) may have to colonize the region of la Plata as well. Taking control of the Amazon Rivers and Rivers of the prata Basin. if it is two countries, we have two very strong Muslim powers. With one in the grancolombia region and one in the otl region brazil and argentina.
I was actually planning on splitting up the Muslim parts of South America into 4-5 different countries of varying strengths - mostly for gameplay purposes as these nations will start ahead of the Incas in terms of technology and so I'd want them to have to struggle with each other before being able to face the Incas in a theoretical conquest of South America.

However there's also some root to this in history, as in otl Islamic colonization of regions was very different from Christians, where it was mostly independently done by traders who would proselytize to the regions they traded with. Something that's important to understand here is that in this timeline, the Cordobans discover the Americas in the early 1400s thanks to a few merchants that blew off course and accidentally landed in Brazil, and when they do, they don't really see the Americas as "virgin lands" to be colonized and conquered at first, and for a little while mostly just engage in trading with the local natives, eventually making contact with the Mesoamerican and Incan civilizations. This is important because these traders bring with them the diseases that absolutely destroyed the Native Americans in our timeline and made them ripe for Spanish conquest - but by the time some muslim merchants get the bright idea to start building plantations to start producing selling cash crops like sugar and coffee, these diseases have already burned their way through the indigenous populations of the Americas, and actually American population levels are starting to rise above pre-discovery levels in certain areas thanks to the new methods and resources the Berber and Arabic merchants spread in crop production. In most cases this simply means the merchants marry into the local ruling class and use the rest of the populace as a workforce for plantations - though in some more fertile areas like the La Plata where the Charrua and Guarani populations were exploding, they were actually conquered by a Cordoban conquistador who had some bright ideas. In any way they took over, the rulers of these areas still pledge fealty to the Caliph of Cordoba, it's just thanks to the distance and indirect way these regions were acquired that they essentially run themselves as independent nations.

It's also through the insane profits the Arabic and Berber merchants make by building plantations in the Americas that attracts the attention of the European Christians, and leads to the French, English, Scandinavian and Dutch settlement of North America and what's left of the Caribbean in the late 1600s.
hardrada won?
Not Hadrada himself but his grandson, Magnus Barefoot - known in this time as Magnus the Great, who exploited the weakness of Harold Godwinson's heir to press his Grandfather's claim.
was there a religious break between cordoba and the western caliphate?
Yes actually, to the point the Cordobans, the Berber parts of North Africa, West Africa and the Americas actually follow a fictional sect called the Almumini, which believe that the Head of State of the Emirate of Cordoba is actually the true Caliph, rather than the Arabic Caliph the Sunnis believe in. I say "Arabic Caliphate" because truth be told though I haven't fleshed out the Middle East itself just yet as I really need to study it some more to figure out who I want to control it. I do want a decently sized power to do so, but the thing is I'm planning on Byzantium surviving (though only really as a backwater rump state that's barely kept alive thanks to the wealth of Constantinople as a city and the help of the Hungarians and PLC that is essentially only Greece and Eastern Thrace). That essentially knocks out ever having the Turks coalesce around a single power - and I don't really want to do the Ottomans anyways as they've been done to death. The Mamluks were already in decline by the time of the Ottomans anyways, so there's no way they'd survive to the 19th century. I'm considering having the Safavids be it, but I'm also considering just coming up with some other nomadic turkic/caucausian people who conquer the Middle East instead as that's been the trend of the Middle East for much of recorded history. Which of them would be an interesting candidate is what I need to look into.
mega slavic empire?
In a manner of speaking yes, but also no. The PLC will be kind of analogous to the Russian Empire here, controlling Poland, the Baltic States, Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia (Haven't decided what I'm going to do with Siberia just yet, I think I'm going to have the Chinese colonize it and have it as an expansion route for both an independent Russia or a Japan but I don't have Asia fleshed out that much in general), but all other peoples than the Polish and Lithuanians are treated as second class citizens who have no say in the government and are treated mostly as serfs and are exploited by the ruling Polish and Lithuanian nobility. This is going to run face first into liberalism, industrialization and most importantly nationalism of the 19th century, where the PLC is either going to have to find an ideological reason like Socialism to survive and maintain their union, or they are going to break apart at the seams and have every ethnicity under their banner demanding their own nation and they will have no choice but to let them as the Poles/Lithuanians simply do not have the manpower like the Russians did in OTL to keep their realm together by force. That being said even if that does happen, the PLC itself with just Poland and Lithuania will still be a force to be reckoned with as Poland and Lithuania as regions themselves are wealthy in this timeline and have undergone much industrialization - so no matter what the player will have options with what they want to do with the country.
 
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Honestly, the first (and probably also the worst) mistake of the Muslims was not finishing the Kingdom of Asturias in its infancy. Francia already gave up in setting foot in Iberia and it's not like there were going to be big Crusades in that region if the Holy Land was still in Muslim hands. And even if the Caliphate collapses some time after, Asturias would be free as a Muslim Taifa instead of an independent Christian Kingdom.
 
If France did not unify and instead followed a path similer to the HRE with several fragmented states it would go a long way to the survival of a Muslim Iberian power by keeping Frances energys divided and either fighting amongst itself or in a loose HRE style political alliance that is decent at defending itself from outside powers but not as good at projecting it outward with the same strangth do to a ununified military command and some princes providing less support then a centralized country could bring.
 
If the Berbers were defeated in battle around 980, then Al-Andalus could push the Christians back and by such measures as harbouring Arab refugees after the Sack of Baghdad in 1258 could survive for the next few centuries. Likely invasions by the Ottomans, raids by the Berbers, the rise of Spain and Portugal and Islamic stagnation would likely lead to the death or fragmentation of Al-Andalus in the 17th century, even if they had miracles like the Byzantines they would've had to deal with Napoleon in the 1800s and 1810s and later the rise of reactionary Catholicism in the 1820s. Other than with a small, Algeria-like state in Southern Iberia after independence from Spain in Spanish Civil War after a late conquest around 1820, I would not expect Al-Andalus to survive.
 
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