Battleships have an important purpose, even if they aren't great ships. If you have one, and the other country doesn't, you have a major advantage. Any battleship is better than none, and the USSR's options were this one or nothing. Ugly--yes. Poor warships for the 1940's? Yes.
Then there is this Commie Shit Rebuild of a Dreadnought, which though in their original configuration looked fine, but with their rebuilds in the 1930s, look very ugly. These ships also had no real purpose within the Soviet Fleet during WWII other than a glorified artillery platform.
Then there is this Commie Shit Rebuild of a Dreadnought, which though in their original configuration looked fine, but with their rebuilds in the 1930s, look very ugly. These ships also had no real purpose within the Soviet Fleet during WWII other than a glorified artillery platform.
Which might have been the last thing said by a panzer commander, especially since THAT could lob 12" HE shells 21 miles as about 2 shells per minute--per gun--and she has 12 of them.
It's worse than that. At least one ship was sent back to the builders due to a permanent list, and overall the German government is furious at the shipbuilder for completely fucking up the construction. They definitely belong here.Im gonna go out on a limb here and say the Baden-Wurttemberg Class frigates. These ships, for their size and displacement seem inadequately armed, especially in the Anti air missile department, the BW only have 2 RAM launchers. These frigates seem to be designed in similar train of thought with the USN LCS, designed and built to deal with "asymmetric" threats and provide support. However, ironically, it seems that the previous frigates (Bremen Class) that the BW class are replacing seem more heavily armed to deal with any threats then the BW itself. If there is to be a traditional "shooting war" with missile attacks against NATO/ German naval forces, the BW class are in serious trouble, what good are water cannons (yes, these ships have water cannons) are gonna be against mach 1 capable sea skimming anti ship missiles?
Expect those “Glorified artillery platforms” helped saved Leningrad. Keep laughing Panzer commander.
As ugly as these?
Then there is this Commie Shit Rebuild of a Dreadnought, which though in their original configuration looked fine, but with their rebuilds in the 1930s, look very ugly. These ships also had no real purpose within the Soviet Fleet during WWII other than a glorified artillery platform.
I know nothing about the specific ships, but "under armed for their displacement "is a continual refrain throughout history. Usually from people who don't understand things like blast radius, magnetic interference, stability, hogging, behind the scenes stuff like that. Again, I know nothing about these specific ships, but usually there is a point to looking under armed.
It proved that the Admiralty were right to resist the Treasury's penny-pinching pressure to adopt a blank-sheet design by from a commerical shipbuilder. They'd have been reasonably adequate if they'd been kept to their original patrol frigate role of pootling around the Persian Gulf telling everyone to "Do as I say or my big brothers will come along and kick your arse."
I'd prefer more T26's, but unlike the T21 the T31 has plenty of room to expand their capabilities and being based on the Danish Iver Huitfeldt design means that unlike the T21's they should be perfectly capable of operating in the North Atlantic. Of the designs submitted for the T31 the design selected seems by far the most promising.
If they'd been completed first as originally intended, I suspect they would appear as a very natural development towards Dreadnought (which in terms of the design process, they were). An all big gun design for what became the Lord Nelsons was considered with 10" guns, but fitment of at least some 12" was regarded as essential.
I don't think the CG would want them. They like ships that are durable and have a reasonable cost to operate (especially given their low budgets) But that hasn't stopped them from being stuck with Navy castoffs before.
Exactly. The Coast Guard get screwed at budget time, always has. A bunch of low hour, high speed, low manning cost (40-50 personnel vs. 113 for the Legend class or 160+ for the Hamilton class) that can be used specifically for the drug interdiction role (one thing the LCS classes are is FAST, as in freeway legal speed fast) that are designed for both helicopter operations and small boat ops is better than a kick in the nuts.
