Warcaw Uprising begin in september

14 September: soviet troops occupied East suburbs of Warcaw; later Rokossovsky has said, that it was the best moment for Polish rebels to excite rebellion in th Polish capital-they could unite with soviet-polish troops and liberat warcaw. WF Armia Krajowa has done it?
 
That was what they were trying to do, in concept. The OTL rising was timed to coincide with the arrival of the russian army during operation Bagration. Unfortunatly, the Russian high command ordered a halt upon reaching the outskirts of warsaw, and the advance only continued after the Home Army had been crushed.

A lot of the problem is that it seems that Stalin did not want the Poles to succeed. The Armia Krajowa were not on best of terms with the communists, and a victory would strengthen their hand during the ensuing peace. On the other hand, their defeat removed a potential source of opposition to Russian control while wearing down the Wehrmact troops in the area.
 
That was what they were trying to do, in concept. The OTL rising was timed to coincide with the arrival of the russian army during operation Bagration. Unfortunatly, the Russian high command ordered a halt upon reaching the outskirts of warsaw, and the advance only continued after the Home Army had been crushed.

A lot of the problem is that it seems that Stalin did not want the Poles to succeed. The Armia Krajowa were not on best of terms with the communists, and a victory would strengthen their hand during the ensuing peace. On the other hand, their defeat removed a potential source of opposition to Russian control while wearing down the Wehrmact troops in the area.

When Uprising began in OTL Soviet troops were tired: they has moved with speed near 20km per day(f.e-at this time Allies speed in France is 4km per day). Soviet artillery has laged from vanguards and Nazi used here 8 tanks divisions.
marshal Zhukov wrote, that Stalin had asked about district attack to Warcaw: but soviet generals were against this plan-Soviet Army always circled cities, staying at the rivers(as Kiev), but even fights for bridgeheads at the west bank of Warcaw were really intencive.
 
When Uprising began in OTL Soviet troops were tired: they has moved with speed near 20km per day(f.e-at this time Allies speed in France is 4km per day). Soviet artillery has laged from vanguards and Nazi used here 8 tanks divisions.
marshal Zhukov wrote, that Stalin had asked about district attack to Warcaw: but soviet generals were against this plan-Soviet Army always circled cities, staying at the rivers(as Kiev), but even fights for bridgeheads at the west bank of Warcaw were really intencive.

it doesn't change the fact that the soviets were capable of pushing on to warsaw in conjunction with the Armia Krajowa during the OTL uprising's timeframe. At one point, the soviet troops were only a few hundred meters away from the Polish positions, yet they did nothing.

It should be noted that, at the time, the Soviets were fighting generally successful engagements around the outskirts of Warsaw. They could instead have sent troops along the more direct route, via Praga. All that stood in their way was the 73rd Infantry division, a green unit which broke when confronted by the red Army. Yet it was not engaged until the uprising was over. Lack of fuel isn't a good excuse; the first russian soldiers to reach Warsaw were arriving from western Ukraine, a far smaller distance than was covered by the troops involved in operation Bagration. Finally, if the russian Army was capable of covering 20 km a day, why could they not cover the last few kilometers (never more than ten) over a period of two months?

Finally, it should be noted that the Russians also obstructed other attempts at relief of Warsaw. Stalin refused the Western allies permission to utilize soviet airbases to resupply or support the uprising. Likewise, soviet aircraft did nothing of note to aid the Poles. In fact, Soviet anti-aircraft batteries had a disturbing habit of engaging American and British planes in the vicinity of warsaw.
 
it doesn't change the fact that the soviets were capable of pushing on to warsaw in conjunction with the Armia Krajowa during the OTL uprising's timeframe. At one point, the soviet troops were only a few hundred meters away from the Polish positions, yet they did nothing.

It should be noted that, at the time, the Soviets were fighting generally successful engagements around the outskirts of Warsaw. They could instead have sent troops along the more direct route, via Praga. All that stood in their way was the 73rd Infantry division, a green unit which broke when confronted by the red Army. Yet it was not engaged until the uprising was over. Lack of fuel isn't a good excuse; the first russian soldiers to reach Warsaw were arriving from western Ukraine, a far smaller distance than was covered by the troops involved in operation Bagration. Finally, if the russian Army was capable of covering 20 km a day, why could they not cover the last few kilometers (never more than ten) over a period of two months?

Finally, it should be noted that the Russians also obstructed other attempts at relief of Warsaw. Stalin refused the Western allies permission to utilize soviet airbases to resupply or support the uprising. Likewise, soviet aircraft did nothing of note to aid the Poles. In fact, Soviet anti-aircraft batteries had a disturbing habit of engaging American and British planes in the vicinity of warsaw.

1) Armija krajova tried not to have contacts with RA or red polish troops: f.e red Poles landed at the bank, occupiing by Ak, but before they didne it Ak had taken it troops away and the bank was occupy by Nazi.
2) Rokossovski ordered to stop offencive some hours before uprising
3) Soviet sent near3000 slot-machine, 3million of shells and 500 antitank launchers to AK.
But back to Ah: Warcaw is liberating, Ak is here and soviet troops too. What would be after war?
 
1) The poles attached to the red army were sent in unsupported, and had little hope of pulling off a relief. In fact, I'm not entirely sure if they were ever ordered to act, or did so on their own (I'll get back to you).

2) The Soviets had enough contacts in the Armia krajowa to know when the rising was occuring; even the germans had a clue that it was coming. And why were the Soviets unable to continue the offensive a few more days and 10 kilometers at most?

3) Not sure about the numbers, but the sources I've seen state that soviet aid arrived to late to make a difference.

But anyway, on to AH...

The polish domestic situation will be interesting for the next few years. The non-communists will find themselves in a strengthened position compared to OTL. The russians will be running things, but this gives the government in exile in London additional credibility, and a foothold on the ground. My guess is that the home army gets sidelined by the russians. they are just to far from western support to avoid that fate. However, if they do hold on and demand a voice in the postwar nation, things get interesting. For one thing, if they can compell the powers to notice them, the entire division of europe springs a few leaks. Not sure where it all leads, though.
 
2) The Soviets had enough contacts in the Armia krajowa to know when the rising was occuring; even the germans had a clue that it was coming. And why were the Soviets unable to continue the offensive a few more days and 10 kilometers at most?
They've known about it only in some days.

The polish domestic situation will be interesting for the next few years. The non-communists will find themselves in a strengthened position compared to OTL. The russians will be running things, but this gives the government in exile in London additional credibility, and a foothold on the ground. My guess is that the home army gets sidelined by the russians. they are just to far from western support to avoid that fate. However, if they do hold on and demand a voice in the postwar nation, things get interesting. For one thing, if they can compell the powers to notice them, the entire division of europe springs a few leaks. Not sure where it all leads, though.
what need Stalin?-friendly or neutral Poland
 
They've known about it only in some days.

But they knew before, or at least during, the opening stages of the uprising. It would have been a cakewalk to march into Warsaw and join up with the Armia Krajowa.

what need Stalin?-friendly or neutral Poland

Stalin wanted poland as a soviet ally or client state to be a buffer between it and Germany.
 
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