War: United States Vs. United Kingdom: 1930s

RalofTyr

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Um, RalofTyr? You DO know that Canada and the other British dominions were independent at the time and could act freely of Britain? Especially in Canada's case, we probably would've said to Hell with Britain and tried to take up a position of neutrality. I think you might be confused with WWI when it was still the British Empire and no matter, Canada was forced to join the conflict in Europe.

I do believe Canada, as well as other nations, such as Australia, have a treaty with Great Britain that says they'll ally and defender her.

Its a nice theoretical tactical and strategic gem, particulary in wargaming (like in Steel Panthers!). But as far as AH goes, yeah its pretty much null.

Go Steel Panthers!!!

I've ran numerous computer vs Computer US vs. UK battles in 1930. Most battles concluded in a stalemate, though, against US marines, the British get massacred more so. Even when I sent in wave after wave of Indian troops as cannon fodder, the USMC seems to get the UK a high amount of casualties.
 
I've ran numerous computer vs Computer US vs. UK battles in 1930. Most battles concluded in a stalemate, though, against US marines, the British get massacred more so. Even when I sent in wave after wave of Indian troops as cannon fodder, the USMC seems to get the UK a high amount of casualties.

Well, that sounds highly plausible: after all, who'd imagine Sikhs and Gurkhas could be good soldiers?
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DM
 

RalofTyr

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Well, that sounds highly plausible: after all, who'd imagine Sikhs and Gurkhas could be good soldiers?
:)

DM

I just think the probabilities for the USMC are programmed slightly better than others; so they get better results.

Funny, I just saw a show about the Japanese invasion of Malaysia. The Sikhs and Gurkas were, usually at the front of the lines when facing Japan!!!


I guess Britain put their best up in front right?
 
What about the Indian Independence movement, by mid 30s it was in full swing and US was by and large sympathetic to it (in OTL), so US could have used the movement, to its full advantage to create a quagmire for the BIA in India itself, so that they are not available in full strength to fight abroad.
 
The scenario was unlikely as apart from anything else the naval arms race was bankrupting both economies and the Washington Treaty came in to save money. Also Britain and the United States learnt sense after the War of 1812 and whilst coming close to the brink a few times sense prevailed.

The most likely scenario for the proposed POD would be if the United States failed to break the Anglo Japanese alliance or it was resumed in the early thirties. America would face attack from both Britain and Japan dividing the American naval forces. There would also be the position of Canada. Britain could invade the United States through Canada and vice versa assuming the Canadians joined in, there would be no need for any D-Day type landings. Britain's problems would lie in keeping the Atlantic link open. A lot of the food and raw materials wouldn't be crossing the Atlantic as we would be no longer trading with the USA so they could come via the Mediterranean or round Africa nesessitating keeping the Western approaches free and they are nearer home. Would Australia and New Zealand come in and attack the Philipines?

The naval battle may never take place, or it could take place in two oceans with both Britain and Japan taking part stretching the American 16" gun ships. In the long run Britain would probably be able to keep the sea lanes open but not mount a succesful invasion of the United States and the width of the Atlantic would prevent any serious air bombardments
 
A British Empire / Imperial Japan Vs USA scenario in the 1930 would make a fascinating idea. Especially if there is no “Pearl Harbour” event to get the USA riled up.

If this did happen expect Canada to declare neutrality fairy fast and withdraw from the British Empire. I just could not see them staying in it and fighting the USA on the ground. If that happens it’s a big loss for the UK to start with!

How ever the navel side would be very interesting. What was Japans navy like in the early 30’s? No radar or real carrier air is going to make this interesting. Would NZ and Oz join in? I am not sure if they had to or if they would have a choice? Both were more worried about Japan at the time than the USA. Perhaps The USA takes over all off Samoa and this scares them into siding with Japan?
 
How ever the navel side would be very interesting. What was Japans navy like in the early 30’s? No radar or real carrier air is going to make this interesting.

Early 30s would be post London Treaty fleets, so Japan would have 3 Kongos, 4 Ise/Fusos, and 2 Nagatos, with a 4th Kongo partially disarmed, but capable of being restored. Just how many ships are available would be dependent on the particulars of the modernization schedule. The Japanese would also have the carriers Akagi and Kaga, both badly unsatisfactory with unworkable triple flight decks, flawed arrestor wires, and undersized flight groups, until their refits completed post 1935.

Facing them is the U.S. Battle Fleet, made up of 4 Battle Divisions totaling 12 battleships, all of the Standard type, ie Nevada through Colorado classes, and the two powerful and remarkably trouble-free Lexington class carriers. Of course, this only leaves the old battleships of the 5th Battle Division and the various other older vessels making up the misnamed Scouting Fleet in the Atlantic.

While offensive carrier operations are not fully developed yet, the idea of the fast carrier task force was already in place and tested in the various Fleet Problems following Fleet Problem IX in 1929 in the U.S. and their counterparts in Japan. Further, carriers are considered critical for scouting to supplement cruiser and battleship based scout floatplanes, which is a big change from the traditional reliance on cruisers for scouting.
 
I've ran numerous computer vs Computer US vs. UK battles in 1930.
British armour is superior and artillery usually better as well. Not many times that can be said (except against maybe the Italians!)
 
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