We all know the war of 1812. I would like you, the reader of this thread, to come up with a way for the war of 1812 to be against france or spain. Good luck.
I know. But if you listen to the media today there were no undeclared wars until the last 1/2 of the 20th century.true. Technically they were at war for a while. Although it was an undeclared war.
Yes, IMO it does. I'm working on a timeline where the nation we call the USA enters the 3rd coalition on Britain's side, just one year after we purchased Louisiana from France. We are there at Trafalgar w/2 ships of the line and our 6 frigates. As we're off the neutrality fence, the war of 1812 is butterflied away.I know. But if you listen to the media today there were no undeclared wars until the last 1/2 of the 20th century.
In any case, if we went to war with the French during the Napoleonic era does that mean that the US would be a junior ally, associated partner, or whatever you want to call it with the UK?
The french lack any real significant forces in theater... so Nappy will need to get himself and a large army (i.e. a bloody heap of troop transports) past the RN. Given the naval situation post-Trafalgar we're talking Seelowe levels of probability.My TL won't go in this direction, but WI Napoleon decided to invade America in 1812 instead of Russia as a payback for our betraying him after purchasing Louisiana from him.
No, second line British forces fought you to a standstill while the poms were busily dealing with one Nappy Blown-a-part over in Europe.I think america could take on spain or france. We fought britian to a standstill. So why can't we beat france?
We only won in a battle after the war had ended. Don't you think it's unfair to call that a victory? I mean, when the other said says "Alright guys, time to pack up and go home" and the other says "CHARGE!"..that isn't a victory. It's "Peace has bee made..but let's charge at these guys anyway!"Okay. The canadian invasion was a stupid move on our part. But I believe we were still fighting when you beat nappy-blown-apart.
I also blame the standstill on thee warhawks who got the war started without thinking to pump up the military.
We didn't know that peace had been made. Remember, slower mail.I'm not calling it a victory, I'm calling it a draw.We only won in a battle after the war had ended. Don't you think it's unfair to call that a victory? I mean, when the other said says "Alright guys, time to pack up and go home" and the other says "CHARGE!"..that isn't a victory. It's "Peace has bee made..but let's charge at these guys anyway!"
So,basically the U.S stays at its current size but gains the land sooner. Couldn't we also get a few partys of mexico that we wouldn't have gotten at the end of the spanish american(?) war.Something provokes the U.S. to attempt a land grab against Spain while that country is under the boot of Napoleon. As such, the OTL Mexican Cession and Florida are taken by the U.S. sooner, and the Americans manage to get a portion of the Oregon Country under definitive U.S. control sooner as well.