There could be a greater level of balkinization the princely states as I said, wanted to follow their own path, and Louis Mountbatten wouldn't let them, on Atlee's orders. ittl, things could possibly be very different.
War makes for Strange Bedfellows – A Second World War timeline
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Maybe, however, Bose popular among both. the solution I think of is that britain mobalizes muslims and princely states aganist Bose
Unlikely, In such a timeline the USSR and Germany would likely put bose into power so that he can become a hey ally/puppet
In such a timeline, Bose would replace Nehru, its possible the princely states join the british
Not really a fan of segments from the future. They give too much away. This sort of thing kills my interest in TLs.
If you are interested in a Hindu-Muslim split. Here's is a map of Hindus. I would suggest you do it a way where the One of them sides with the British while the other sides with Axis. Also, note that there were Hindu Nationalists who wanted to work with the Axis, however the INA which actually sided with Axis was not one of them.
tonycat77
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Soviets were building massive engine plants for aircraft around Moscow.
Also they would supply rare metals to the Axis in this TL, so earlier jet engines, the Jumo 222 with it's penchant for rare materials, they would all get developed.
Russia also controls the arctic islands, making it a perfect base for german subs and their weather stations to help in the BoA.
Also they would supply rare metals to the Axis in this TL, so earlier jet engines, the Jumo 222 with it's penchant for rare materials, they would all get developed.
Russia also controls the arctic islands, making it a perfect base for german subs and their weather stations to help in the BoA.
What was the Soviet Navy like? Did they have ships and subs they could send into the Battle of the Atlantic?
tonycat77
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Their subs and the black sea fleet were the only thing of note during the war.
It was worse than the KM, and less financed and organized of all the soviet army branches.
Stalin did start a massive fleet building campaign but it was cut off because of Barbarossa.
Stalin planned after ww2 started to have 3 battleships ready by 1942:
Sovetsky Soyuz-class battleship - Wikipedia
Kronshtadt-class battlecruiser - Wikipedia
Even with everything in place, it would be still at best match in numbers the KM.
Their subs were AFAIK close to or similar to the germans and the UK.
They proved excellent in the baltics, but the north atlantic is a completely different game.
However, they are a existential threat as a fleet in being for the UK, i'd assume far less stuff gets sent down in the Pacifict, i doubt Force Z would be sent for instance.
Surface ships? No. The Soviet navy had a couple of light cruisers, though without the war, Stalin might order the continuation of the Sovetsky Soyuz-class battleships (which, based on the practicalities of Soviet engineering were ludicrously optimistic on paper and would likely have turned out ... not very good).
As for subs ... they did have a significant submarine arm. They built ... maybe 150 or so during the entire war, but the Soviets did have other priorities. The ones built did have a solid range (6.000 nautical miles for the Sh-class, 9.500 for the S-class and 14.000 for the K-class cruiser subs). Comparable range and armament to the German subs, but worse maximum depth, which could be problematic when tangling with the Royal Navy.
Perhaps Soviets, but Imperial Russia overspent on its navy. Even though they knew land war with Germany/AH was coming naval budget in the lead up to WWI was ocasionally as large as land one (perhaps even bigger sometimes).
They wouldn't want to give up valuable strategic locations and important industrial facilities without something really juicy in return. I would imagine being a 100% equal joint-partner in advanced technology programs would be one, and large economic concessions at the very least. Germany would become highly reliant on Soviet manufactured goods and raw resources as the war went on.
This would also lead to a much earlier and better focus on air-defense for the USSR, since they weren't really in range of Allied bombers until late war, and they would recognize the need for high altitude interceptors and big AA guns sooner.
tonycat77
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They would probably license-build german radars, which were very good.
Also the 130mm AA gun sees service far earlier.
Air-defense would get a boost, they'd probably get better high-altitude superchargers.
The soviets had designed and started to build world class aircraft by 1940, Pe-2s, Tu-2s, IL-2s, IL-4 and Pe-8s, for air superiority you had the Yak-1s, LaGGs which could be better designed and tested before becoming the flying coffins they became famous for, and for the PVO, the mig-3 would shine in its role as a high altitude fighter, especially if it gets a 2nd stage supercharger and gets the MG-151, Problem was a total lack of organization and pilots, even spare parts for all this.
Which again would be remedied by no Barbarossa.
No escorts until 1942-43, unless this TL fixes the P-38's teething problems earlier.
Vladivostok and Murmansk would be immune to air attack, you'd need to fly thousands of miles, with hundreds of miles unescorted across enemy territory.
Hmmm I expect the opposite from the British regarding Ghandi. I believe his position was to treat the British with respect while insisting on independence. While other Indian leaders wanted to attack the British. However ITL Bose would probably view Ghandi as an appeaser at best and a traitor at worst. Wouldn’t Ghandi find Bose trying to have him killed, while the British would try and protect him?
ric350
Bose respected Gandhi, not only that but I don't Bose is foolish enough to kill Gandhi. Gandhi would likely remain neutral keeping both options open