War Goals of a "Bonapartist" Germany

I'm not sure if the Sudetenland was a popular aspiration of pan-Germans back then.

Could go either way. Given that Bohemia used to be part of the Holy Roman Empire and the German Confederation the pan-Germanists might root for all Czech lands to be 'brought back'.

And while incidentally the Sudeten area might have been exempt on this postcard, it is obvious that pan-Gemans used to think big:

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In a scenario where standard right-wing nationalists (something like the DNVP) instead of the Nazis came to power in Germany, what would the "war goals" of such a "Bonapartist" Germany during alt-WW2? While they'd probably be more sensible than those of the Third Reich (which isn't saying much), aside from that, what plans would the plans said Germany would have for Europe in the event they won?

Minimum: Danzig and some bits of the Polish Corridor to get East Prussia Connected with the rest of Germany.
Median: 1914 borders in the east and autonomy for the Sudeten Germans in Czechoslovakia (or Czechia if the Slovaks have already split off), Anschluss might or might not be on the schedule.
Maximum: Basically reinstating Brest-Litovsk, Austria and the Sudeten areas will be annexed (unless Austria had been an ally already, in which case the pie might be shared), full Autonomy for the German minority in South Tyrol if not outright annexion.

What about their western aims?

Alsace-Lorraine, possibly Luxembourg and some bits of Belgium.

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Holocaust aside, the aims and practices of DNVP Germany would be very similar to NSDAP Germany. We should be careful of assuming “notzis” would somehow come out of the post-Versailles chaos as benevolent liberators and democratic alliance-builders.

Poland is screwed, no matter what. Look at the aims of the July 44 conspirators for post peace-settlement Germany, for instance.
 
Germany could drive a divide between London, and Paris, or this ATL can get a peace with the United Kingdom after the ATL of France. (Play up the fears and worries of Communism, and the USSR. An disaster at Dunkirk. Or something like that.)

This Germany can keep the Sino-German cooperation alive, and well, thus keeping away from Japan, and having a ton of affects on both Germany, and China, and Asia as a whole.

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Did Nazism, really have an effect as to whether or not Germany chose China or Japan for an ally? I was under the impression that the alliance with Japan had more to do with the fact that Japan was already an industrialized great power, while China pretty weak in comparison at the time.
 
Did Nazism, really have an effect as to whether or not Germany chose China or Japan for an ally? I was under the impression that the alliance with Japan had more to do with the fact that Japan was already an industrialized great power, while China pretty weak in comparison at the time.

Germany needed an ally that could take on the Soviet Union, so they chose Japan. Though, I feel it has a lot to do with Hitler's personal hunches. A Germany under the DNVP might be less inclined to align with the country that took away its colonies in the Far East, and with whom it deals far less business with, in my opinion. Still, it can go as per OTL.
 
Did Nazism, really have an effect as to whether or not Germany chose China or Japan for an ally? I was under the impression that the alliance with Japan had more to do with the fact that Japan was already an industrialized great power, while China pretty weak in comparison at the time.

Germany needed an ally that could take on the Soviet Union, so they chose Japan. Though, I feel it has a lot to do with Hitler's personal hunches. A Germany under the DNVP might be less inclined to align with the country that took away its colonies in the Far East, and with whom it deals far less business with, in my opinion. Still, it can go as per OTL.

They much less likely to risk war with America thanks to Japan first off.

And Germany could play on the China Lobby of the USA.
 

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Is there any person who could lead the DNVP to electoral success?, I hear they were a party of industrialists and German nationalists.
 
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Did Nazism, really have an effect as to whether or not Germany chose China or Japan for an ally? I was under the impression that the alliance with Japan had more to do with the fact that Japan was already an industrialized great power, while China pretty weak in comparison at the time.

The outbreak of the Second Sino-Japanese War on July 7, 1937 destroyed much of the progress and promises made earlier. Hitler chose Japan as his ally against the Soviet Union, because Japan was militarily capable. In addition, the Sino-Soviet Nonaggression Pact of August 21, 1937 did not help to change Hitler's mind, despite protest from Chinese lobbying and German investors. However, Hitler did agree to have HAPRO finish shipments already ordered by China, but did not allow any more orders from Nanking to be taken.

There were plans of a German-mediated peace between China and Japan, but the fall of Nanking in December 1937 effectively put an end to any mediation acceptable to the Chinese government. Therefore, all hope of a German-mediated truce was lost. In 1938, Germany officially recognised Manchukuo as an independent nation. In April of that year, Hermann Göring banned the shipment of war materials to China, and in May, German advisors were recalled to Germany at Japanese insistence.
Wikipedia page “Sino-German cooperation 1926-1941” specifically section “End of Sino-German cooperation”

Ending the Chinese deal was one of the Nazi’s many mistakes, as China could have provided many more raw materials the Nazis needed. Japan, in the long term, provided next to nothing of aid to the Nazis.
 

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Is there any person who could lead the DNVP to electoral success?, I hear they were a party of industrialists and German nationalists.

This is the problem, Hugenburg is the obvious choice off the bat, but Hugenburg was a pretty terrible parliamentary politician. Unless some form of coup puts the DNVP into power, they’d need some alt-hist figure to lead them to success.
 
Unless some form of coup puts the DNVP into power, they’d need some alt-hist figure to lead them to success.
Does it have to be the DNVP, though? If I recall correctly, Papen and Schleicher both requested to Hindenburg several times to declare martial law and establish a military dictatorship - if Hindenburg accepted, then that could establish an authoritarian "Bonapartist" Germany
 

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Does it have to be the DNVP, though? If I recall correctly, Papen and Schleicher both requested to Hindenburg several times to declare martial law and establish a military dictatorship - if Hindenburg accepted, then that could establish an authoritarian "Bonapartist" Germany

Yes, but considering the Army planned to oust Hitler in the ensuing Czech Crisis why would they sanction a war over Poland?
 

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Does it have to be the DNVP, though? If I recall correctly, Papen and Schleicher both requested to Hindenburg several times to declare martial law and establish a military dictatorship - if Hindenburg accepted, then that could establish an authoritarian "Bonapartist" Germany

Well that’s the OP’s choice, but I was answering the question posed by @wikipipes

But the OP did use the DNVP as his example:
In a scenario where standard right-wing nationalists (something like the DNVP) instead of the Nazis came to power in Germany, what would the "war goals" of such a "Bonapartist" Germany during alt-WW2? While they'd probably be more sensible than those of the Third Reich (which isn't saying much), aside from that, what plans would the plans said Germany would have for Europe in the event they won?
...so it came from there, probably


The Hindenburg coup is a possibility, definitely - maybe have Hitler commit some form of faux-pas to discredit him as the choice for Chancellor?
 
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