War aims of a "Nazi" France?

If M. Blanc is a super-aggressive megalomaniac type, would it be that inconceivable of him to wish to restore the borders of 840?

Adolphe Blanc, varyar ?
If there is analog to Fürher in France, he would call himself NAPOLEON the IV

If there is an analog to the Fuehrer in France, he probably wouldn't be called the fourth of whatever.
 
Now that Germany is out of the way, time to take a look at Britain, who can be said to be France's real enemy. Long post this time, blame the fact Britain's empire is so big. :eek:

Compared to Germany, which after losing the Rhineland and Hitler in a donkey punch and being forced to toe the line regarding their military, they were quickly knocked out and balkanized after foolishly joining WW2. Britain is a much harder nut to crack though. The waves protect the home islands, and the Royal Navy does what the sea cannot. The most obvious and immediate war aim then, is to 'punish' the English for their betrayals, with the intention of using this to force a peace. Lots of bombs are gonna be dropped on both sides of the Channel.

Of immediate focus is humiliating the Anglo-Saxons and forcing them to pay reparations to France for the damage done, and also weakening them.

Territorially the realistic concern is the Mediterranean. The English have no rights to be in France's sea, so they must be removed from there. Gibraltar and Malta must both fall. The French SS, if they see themselves as heirs to the Military Orders of old would particularly be interested in Malta. Gibraltar is strategic but could perhaps be trusted to close ally Spain, assuming they're a close ally.

The Suez Canal will definitely be owned directly by France. As for the rest of Egypt there would probably be little interest so they could probably remain a puppet Kingdom. Except with this time France doing the puppeteering. If Italy is allied Egypt would probably be thrown to them as a bone, although the Suez will be French.

As for the Middle East, France has historical interests there. The Anglo-Saxons fancy themselves the rulers of Outremer, Le Renard's Corps de l'orient will soon show them otherwise.

Outremer would probably be annexed to the French State directly. Cant think of how a Second Kingdom of Jerusalem would work. Lebanon could receive the same treatment in administrative reforms, while the Syrian mandate will probably be protectorated, although no longer a mandate anymore really.

To the east of that is Iraq. Probably of minimal interest to France as a wargoal. Iraq is associated with the Sassanids and Parthians, while Nazi France sees itself as the heirs to the Roman Empire. Unlike the Nazi Germans, France's focus is in the west rather than to some 'Aryan' bloodline in the east. Militarily it might be necessary to attack Iraq to neutralize the flank it represents, and if Iraq defects to France like they tried to do for Germany OTL then hey, no reason not to accept them into the alliance.

England's last Mediterranean possession is Cyprus. Its claimed by both Greece and Turkey, and can be used to woo ether to France's cause. It also has Crusader ties however, opening the possibility of it being annexed to the French State. Pick which ever one floats your boat i suppose.

Finally France will of course seek to liberate its historic allies of Ireland, Wales and Scotland. And Cornwall due to its close ties with Brittany may require direct annexation to France itself. This aim however is most likely only existent in the dreams of foreign volunteers in the French Legions and the delusions of Le Chef.

The cause of Quebec might also be picked up, but it appears as unobtainable as the above.

Thats what i got for the war against Britain. Racial wise, i think Remicas has the Anglo-Saxons covered. The bastard mix of Germanic Saxons and Anglos. Not sure whether they would be worthy of genocide or just contempt. The former is probably unfeasible politically though.

The Scots, Welsh, Irish and Cornish are ethnic cousins of the French like Remicas suggested. Therefore they hold a special place in Le Chef's heart.

Arabs are kinda interesting. They're seen as cunning traders (old stereotypes die hard) and are 'ethnically suited' for life in the desert. Left to their own devices they'll achieve nothing but uncivilized 'mongrel' culture. Certain groups like the Algerians however possess the potential to be 'uplifted' and have formed ties with the French race by virtue of brotherhood through shared blood. Or something like that. Some kind of BS propaganda like that. I figured Algeria would get a special spot on French doctrine, allowing French Algeria to be 'Gaulified'. Similar exception may or may not be made for Outremer.

Black Africans are just seen as shit though. They get the Congo Slave Train.

tl;dr version for War Aims against Britain

-Reparations and Punishment for the Anglo-Saxons
-Ejecting the English from the Med
-Malta, Gibraltar, Cyprus
-Suez Canal control
-Outremer annexation
-Puppet Egypt
-Ally Iraq (not exactly a war aim)
-Quebec Freedom (lol no)
-Liberation of Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland. Annexation of Cornwall.

Any thoughts?
 

Dreadnought

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Now that Germany is out of the way, time to take a look at Britain, who can be said to be France's real enemy. Long post this time, blame the fact Britain's empire is so big. :eek:

Compared to Germany, which after losing the Rhineland and Hitler in a donkey punch and being forced to toe the line regarding their military, they were quickly knocked out and balkanized after foolishly joining WW2. Britain is a much harder nut to crack though. The waves protect the home islands, and the Royal Navy does what the sea cannot. The most obvious and immediate war aim then, is to 'punish' the English for their betrayals, with the intention of using this to force a peace. Lots of bombs are gonna be dropped on both sides of the Channel.

Of immediate focus is humiliating the Anglo-Saxons and forcing them to pay reparations to France for the damage done, and also weakening them.

Territorially the realistic concern is the Mediterranean. The English have no rights to be in France's sea, so they must be removed from there. Gibraltar and Malta must both fall. The French SS, if they see themselves as heirs to the Military Orders of old would particularly be interested in Malta. Gibraltar is strategic but could perhaps be trusted to close ally Spain, assuming they're a close ally.

The Suez Canal will definitely be owned directly by France. As for the rest of Egypt there would probably be little interest so they could probably remain a puppet Kingdom. Except with this time France doing the puppeteering. If Italy is allied Egypt would probably be thrown to them as a bone, although the Suez will be French.

As for the Middle East, France has historical interests there. The Anglo-Saxons fancy themselves the rulers of Outremer, Le Renard's Corps de l'orient will soon show them otherwise.

Outremer would probably be annexed to the French State directly. Cant think of how a Second Kingdom of Jerusalem would work. Lebanon could receive the same treatment in administrative reforms, while the Syrian mandate will probably be protectorated, although no longer a mandate anymore really.

To the east of that is Iraq. Probably of minimal interest to France as a wargoal. Iraq is associated with the Sassanids and Parthians, while Nazi France sees itself as the heirs to the Roman Empire. Unlike the Nazi Germans, France's focus is in the west rather than to some 'Aryan' bloodline in the east. Militarily it might be necessary to attack Iraq to neutralize the flank it represents, and if Iraq defects to France like they tried to do for Germany OTL then hey, no reason not to accept them into the alliance.

England's last Mediterranean possession is Cyprus. Its claimed by both Greece and Turkey, and can be used to woo ether to France's cause. It also has Crusader ties however, opening the possibility of it being annexed to the French State. Pick which ever one floats your boat i suppose.

Finally France will of course seek to liberate its historic allies of Ireland, Wales and Scotland. And Cornwall due to its close ties with Brittany may require direct annexation to France itself. This aim however is most likely only existent in the dreams of foreign volunteers in the French Legions and the delusions of Le Chef.

The cause of Quebec might also be picked up, but it appears as unobtainable as the above.

Thats what i got for the war against Britain. Racial wise, i think Remicas has the Anglo-Saxons covered. The bastard mix of Germanic Saxons and Anglos. Not sure whether they would be worthy of genocide or just contempt. The former is probably unfeasible politically though.

The Scots, Welsh, Irish and Cornish are ethnic cousins of the French like Remicas suggested. Therefore they hold a special place in Le Chef's heart.

Arabs are kinda interesting. They're seen as cunning traders (old stereotypes die hard) and are 'ethnically suited' for life in the desert. Left to their own devices they'll achieve nothing but uncivilized 'mongrel' culture. Certain groups like the Algerians however possess the potential to be 'uplifted' and have formed ties with the French race by virtue of brotherhood through shared blood. Or something like that. Some kind of BS propaganda like that. I figured Algeria would get a special spot on French doctrine, allowing French Algeria to be 'Gaulified'. Similar exception may or may not be made for Outremer.

Black Africans are just seen as shit though. They get the Congo Slave Train.

tl;dr version for War Aims against Britain

-Reparations and Punishment for the Anglo-Saxons
-Ejecting the English from the Med
-Malta, Gibraltar, Cyprus
-Suez Canal control
-Outremer annexation
-Puppet Egypt
-Ally Iraq (not exactly a war aim)
-Quebec Freedom (lol no)
-Liberation of Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland. Annexation of Cornwall.

Any thoughts?

It took me awhile, but I tried to make of a French Victory using input from your responses and others.

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If there is an analog to the Fuehrer in France, he probably wouldn't be called the fourth of whatever.

on the contrary !
the French Clerical fascism will celebrate the time of Glorious French Empire under Napoleon Bonapard
just like the Italian Clerical fascism celebrate the time of Glorious Roman Empire
i even go a step further, that M. Blanc will claim he is a direct descendants of Napoleon Bonapard !
In order to self-justification his role as ultimo leader of Fascism France and why he want to restore the French border of 1812

on Question of a French use of "Blitzkrieg"
it's original a French Idea !
Charles DeGaulle wrote In 1934 the Book "Vers l’Armée de Métier" (Toward a Professional Army), his vision of a professional army based on mobile armoured divisions.
widely ignored by French Military, there were on 700 copies sold in France
Over 7000 copies were sold to Germany, were it became obligation literature for the Military...
 
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Really ? The idea of blitzkriegs was invented prior to WWII. Von Schlieffen and von Moltke Jr. tried it in WWI. It was part of the von Schlieffen plan and it partially worked at the start of the war. Then the setbacks started to roll in, including the famous French "taxi blitz".
 
This. Everybody's had a lot of fun, but does anybody *really* see a post WW1 POD that results in France dismantling Germany?
Not that I think France can't fight but with 1.5 million soldier dead and another 4 million wounded in WWI nobody is in the mood for war.
It's like if today america lost like 12 870 000 soldiers.
 
on the contrary !
the French Clerical fascism will celebrate the time of Glorious French Empire under Napoleon Bonapard
just like the Italian Clerical fascism celebrate the time of Glorious Roman Empire
i even go a step further, that M. Blanc will claim he is a direct descendants of Napoleon Bonapard !
In order to self-justification his role as ultimo leader of Fascism France and why he want to restore the French border of 1812

on Question of a French use of "Blitzkrieg"
it's original a French Idea !
Charles DeGaulle wrote In 1934 the Book "Vers l’Armée de Métier" (Toward a Professional Army), his vision of a professional army based on mobile armoured divisions.
widely ignored by French Military, there were on 700 copies sold in France
Over 7000 copies were sold to Germany, were it became obligation literature for the Military...

Yes, but Mussolini wasn't nicnamed "Caesar" or "Imperator", only Duce, who can be translated into leader, furher, and Chef is the most close translation in French.

But using the Napoleonic imagery could be interesting. Will they use the now traditional gaullish cock or choose a more imperial eagle ? (Or bees :rolleyes:)
"the children of the Eagle" for a french fascist youth (inspired from the italian children of the she-wolf) does have a good ring
 
Not that I think France can't fight but with 1.5 million soldier dead and another 4 million wounded in WWI nobody is in the mood for war.
It's like if today america lost like 12 870 000 soldiers.
Didn't someone say something about the idea being Paris falling in 1914 to the initial thrust? :confused:
 
This. Everybody's had a lot of fun, but does anybody *really* see a post WW1 POD that results in France dismantling Germany?

my try

This is not a peace. It is an armistice for 20 years. Ferdinand Foch 1919 during signed the Treaty of Versailles

France had won the great war, but the North France was devastated by War and the Spanish flu. and was almost bankrupt
Allot of work and Money was needed to rebuild North France
the French Government hope that Weimare Republic would stay to the Treaty of Versailles.
what they not expected was that the Germans run there Economy against the wall and push the payment to a smaller percentage.
next to this economical problem were internal political struggle.
Like fight of the Bourgeoisie against rise of Communism in France, what the Bourgeoisie consider a major threat to third Republic.
French Roman Catholic church try to get there Powers back after French secularism with the 1905 French law on the Separation of the Churches and the State.
also try the nobility to get also there Powers and the Old Empire back.
the Government was be repetitive in scandals and reelection
then came the Great Depression who push the republic on the edge of uprise

In this unstable time help, Adolphe Blanc rise to power.
Born in North France and survived the Great War in trenches of the Marne, he was deeply frustrate about how the French Republic deal with post war matters.
He came to conclusion that all, "was all the fault of the jews in the Europe governments", that is need for better nation, a greater French Nation ruled by hard hand, were is no place for them!
His anti-Semitic view were consider as a normality in that time by the Bourgeoisie
Also had Germany had to pay for there Treason to the the Treaty of Versailles.

As very Popular War Hero of the battles of the Marne, he had access to highest circles of of french society, were found not only alert listeners.
But also people who wanted to follow him on his Fight of third Republic.
like group of powerful french industrialist, who support him with money and influence, what let to founding of Political Party "Glore a France"
here Blanc show a marvelousness act to bring total divergent groups under one goal: A better bigger Glorious France ruled by hard hand of the Clerical fascism
so the Bourgeoisie the nobility and French Roman Catholic church form a alliance under Political Party "Glore a France".
what became a counter-ballance against the "Front popularie" a union of french Communist and socialist...
 
If you want to play up the "Hitler equivalent" bit, make him a Walloon who fought for France, and later makes an (what's Anschluss in French?) of Belgium.
 
For an interesting "Nazi"-France (a "Nazi"-France that isn't beaten almost immediately by both Germany and Britain), I fear you need a POD in the early 19th century. You need to avoid German unification, or at least a German unification that includes as much Germany as OTL. Germany, even Germany after WWI (probably even Germany with current border), is simply too strong for France. Besides that, the first world war was too damaging for France to recover and become the strongest militairy power in Europe in only 2-3 decades.

So lets take a POD in the 19th century. Germany kind of unites, but Austria and Prussia (without the rhineland or westphalia) remain outside of it and lets split in a northern Germany and southern Germany. With a bit of divide and conquer France could easily defeat them. Also lets say that during the 19th century France manages to expand their border, they capture Wallonia and Luxemburg from Belgium (or maybe the Netherlands, not realy important), they capture the (southern part of) the German Rhineland, perhaps part of north west Italy, maybe part of Spain. Anyway, they lose those parts after a WWI analogue in which France wasn't as damaged as they were OTL (maybe it was mainly fought on German and Belgian ground). So at the end of the war they lose everything outside of current OTL borders. So now France is ready to become a "Nazi'-France and is capable to beat a large part of Europe.
 

Nietzsche

Banned
Not that I think France can't fight but with 1.5 million soldier dead and another 4 million wounded in WWI nobody is in the mood for war.
It's like if today america lost like 12 870 000 soldiers.
That and lack of general capability to pull it off. French industry, population, resources and the like were quite a bit less than Germany, and not just gross, but per capita.

Or, in short, Germany could produce more arms and give them to more soldiers.
 
If you want to play up the "Hitler equivalent" bit, make him a Walloon who fought for France, and later makes an (what's Anschluss in French?) of Belgium.

ROFL

that's it, all evil comes from Walloon ! (mark detroux, Michelle Martin, the Pandy Family , Leon Degrelle)
i like the Idea :D

by the way
Walloon and Flanders were a Austria colony, before invasion by Napoleon France...
 
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