Wank the Percy's without making them kings

Make the Percy of Northumberland as powerful as possible in the English nobility without making them literal kings. They can use marriage, service or war but they have to be become more powerful and richer then otl. Any ideas?
 
They are still one of the most powerful noble families in the UK, not many other dynasties remain so influencial for so long.
 
One could imagine a Shogun-esque scenario where due to factions the Percys manage to gain kingly powers - but they're not royal and they have to deal with other factions, so they maintain the fiction that they are just 'Chief Councillor' or some such. Heh. If you're looking for a Roman term, "Dictator" works...
 
just for curiosity: why not make them kings?
Because I want people to be creative with there wank results.
One could imagine a Shogun-esque scenario where due to factions the Percys manage to gain kingly powers - but they're not royal and they have to deal with other factions, so they maintain the fiction that they are just 'Chief Councillor' or some such. Heh. If you're looking for a Roman term, "Dictator" works...
like this
 
Here are some possibilities:

1. During the Middle Ages, they somehow marry into the Scottish aristocracy, and wind up with estates on both sides of the border.

2. Alternately, they conquer part of Scotland, and wind up with a fief in northern England and southern Scotland that becomes semi-detached from the English crown.

3. They win the Wars of the Roses.

4. They remain ridiculously wealthy rural landowners. However, during the industrial revolution, they invest in industry in a big way and become the British equivalents of robber barons.

5. One of the politician dukes in the nineteenth century makes it to the office of Prime Minister -hey, the Cecils pulled this off.

Checking the wikipedia article, it appears that the "House of Percy" has died out in the male line several times, and the heiress just married into another family and got her husband to take her name.
 
Here are some possibilities:

1. During the Middle Ages, they somehow marry into the Scottish aristocracy, and wind up with estates on both sides of the border.

2. Alternately, they conquer part of Scotland, and wind up with a fief in northern England and southern Scotland that becomes semi-detached from the English crown.

3. They win the Wars of the Roses.

4. They remain ridiculously wealthy rural landowners. However, during the industrial revolution, they invest in industry in a big way and become the British equivalents of robber barons.

5. One of the politician dukes in the nineteenth century makes it to the office of Prime Minister -hey, the Cecils pulled this off.

Checking the wikipedia article, it appears that the "House of Percy" has died out in the male line several times, and the heiress just married into another family and got her husband to take her name.
Yeah the Percy lost most of there eastes in Yorkshire because when the family was the Seymours the head of the family the proud duke of somerset didn't want what he considered his parvenu grandson in law to inherite everything.
 
How about the duke and duchess of york dies childless in 1440. This makes the earl of northumberland inheritor of the mortimer estates. Have his son inherit the entire poynings and brian estates through his wife and have the earl reacquire the rest of his family estates lost on the first earl attainder and boom you've got a percy superpower in the north and the south
 
Honestly, its not hard, just make them goes through the wanking process that would give them a crown and then decide, for whatever reasons, to not go for the title while being king in all but name Ala Counts of Toulouse in the High Middle Ages and Dukes of Burgundy in the late Middle ages.
 
Honestly, its not hard, just make them goes through the wanking process that would give them a crown and then decide, for whatever reasons, to not go for the title while being king in all but name Ala Counts of Toulouse in the High Middle Ages and Dukes of Burgundy in the late Middle ages.
But how though?
 
But how though?

Shreswburry does the trick for the first part and then have them decide to give England what would ammount to a casus-belli (nothing in the triple endenture said anything about kingship) by breaking off the feudal link. England need to reorganise and so does the new state so everyone as interess in keeping the status quo. For the Percy's that mean's kingship in facts but not in name.
 
Shreswburry does the trick for the first part and then have them decide to give England what would ammount to a casus-belli (nothing in the triple endenture said anything about kingship) by breaking off the feudal link. England need to reorganise and so does the new state so everyone as interess in keeping the status quo. For the Percy's that mean's kingship in facts but not in name.
Hm makes sense
 
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