Wank Spain post 1800

So, yes make Spain one of the richest and most influential countries in Western Europe after it has lost its Empire in the Americas.
 

Yun-shuno

Banned
Not have mentally retarded incompetent kings for one. Manage its colony's better. And good night promote progress and science. If that means stomping on the Catholic Church so be it.
 
Not have mentally retarded incompetent kings for one. Manage its colony's better. And good night promote progress and science. If that means stomping on the Catholic Church so be it.
Well you don't have to use words like "retarded" it actually makes me feel nervous. Also I said after it lost it's colony. But seriously try to sound nice your coming off as aggressive.
 

Yun-shuno

Banned
Well you don't have to use words like "retarded" it actually makes me feel nervous. Also I said after it lost it's colony. But seriously try to sound nice your coming off as aggressive.
One of their kings I think was disabled mentally speaking. I'm sorry if I upset you. Charles II lived somewhat before your POD but because of inbreeding in the royal families his genetics well you know. That had an effect on Spain's international fortunes.

In any case the Spanish were getting beat worse and worse at the colonial game in the 16-18th centuries. Also all that wealth they acquired from plundering the Aztecs destabilized their currency and had even more negative impacts in the long run. Also the country struggled with unity. Even today you have strong centrifugal tendencies.

Spain was like the team that got the early lead burned out and fell further and further behind.
 
The introduction of some economic reforms could help Spain. However, those reforms would, in my opinion, have to take place before the POD. If I recall correctly, the financial situation in Spain after Ferdinand VII returned to the throne was poor (bankrupt, if sources are correct). The wars of independence going on in the Americas and the interruption of tax revenue (treasure fleets) were some causes of this dire situation.

If Charles IV, Ferdinand's predecessor, took more of an interest in government affairs then that may help to some degree as well.
 

Yun-shuno

Banned
To do what your asking you'd need a conscious national leadership, a populace that wants to be in the game, smart foreign and domestic policy and centralization of administrative tasks.
 
Apology accepted, and I know Spain was having trouble during this time, so that's why I think it deserves a wank, but I rather it avoid colonies since that makes bit vulnerable to getting involved in the world Wars.
 
So the POD is after Spain loses its empire or can we have Spain lose its empire in a more amicable fashion.
I guess a More amicable fashion, I kind want Spain to become famous for it's art and culture, not it military and Empire.
 
I guess a More amicable fashion, I kind want Spain to become famous for it's art and culture, not it military and Empire.

Well if you can have Spain have a more goodhearted exit from the continental Americas then you can financially help Spain and its former colonies. Yet this requires getting rid of Ferdinand VII and probably getting his liberal brother on the throne.
 
Well if you can have Spain have a more goodhearted exit from the continental Americas then you can financially help Spain and its former colonies. Yet this requires getting rid of Ferdinand VII and probably getting his liberal brother on the throne.
Okay, so Ferdinand vii dies, and his brother gets the throne.
 
Ferdinand and Charles, but yeah Francisco is wwhere you have to begin if you want any chance. Ferdinand is a shit hat and Charles is a reactionary.
Well, whatever it takes. Sorry I am busy making another thread at the moment in non political chat.
 

Deleted member 67076

Kill off Ferdinand VII and Charles, but especially Ferdinand VII.

His single minded attempts at reconquest and imposing a reactionary, autocratic state drastically undermined Spanish funds, wrecked its economy, and caused decades of instability.

Should a king be in charge that keeps stability within Spain, and accepts that it can't hold on to the empire, then the Spanish stare can make moves towards industrialization and improvements back home. Additionally, accepting the independence of the colonies will allow Spain to have a multitude of new trading partners and recoup some of their losses.
 
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