W1: Polish-Lithuanian nation created after WW1?

What if Poland and Lithuania were united through the treaty of Versailles after WW1?.
instead of giving the poles a coast by slicing through eastern germany, the Poles and lithuanians are united, they still gain ethnically Polish/Lithuanian areas through the plebiscites enforced by versailles and gains by the Polish Rebels, Lithuania still gets Memel regardless of whether or not there is a majority German population or not as Lithuania's coast is near non existent without it.

How possible is this scenario?
 
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BigBlueBox

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This would have been possible if Pilsudski had better timing. If he didn’t start the Polish-Bolshevik war and let the Bolsheviks overrun Lithuania and then launched an offensive to liberate Lithuania, Lithuania could be compelled into a Union since Polish troops would be occupying the whole country. Besides that, it’s not possible to achieve it just at Versailles. And you do realize that the entire corridor except Danzig itself was majority Polish right?
 
It's very possible (as Pilsudski once said, "in the east, doors open and close," and half the diplomats at Versailles probably couldn't point to Lithuania on a map, let alone stand up for Lithuanian independence).

The problem is that, if your goal is to prevent German-Polish border disputes, this doesn't achieve that goal--most of Lithuania's OTL coast was also part of the German Empire prior to 1914, and somewhere between 45% and 70% of the population of Klaipeda/Memel was German. The Germans' OTL demands for the Memelland would remain and serve as an excuse for war with Poland.
 
As the above posters said, better timing could've worked so; at the time, Lithuania was so weak that Poland could have been her protector under different circumstances.

The main problem is that Poland is in need of a large, well connected port, able to quickly serve the western half of the country - something that Klaipeda/Memel just is not able to provide, while still being somewhat exposed to German claims and arms in case of War. That detaching Danzig would hurt Germany quite a bit is icing on the cake for most of the major actors, with Britain still being sympathetic to Polish needs.

In the end, if this happens, overall Poland is weaker, Germany is stronger, and I'm not even sure it would help Poland against the Soviet in the 1920 War.
 
This would have been possible if Pilsudski had better timing. If he didn’t start the Polish-Bolshevik war and let the Bolsheviks overrun Lithuania and then launched an offensive to liberate Lithuania, Lithuania could be compelled into a Union since Polish troops would be occupying the whole country. Besides that, it’s not possible to achieve it just at Versailles. And you do realize that the entire corridor except Danzig itself was majority Polish right?
the entirety of it was Polish? I thought the north was German.
even so large parts of southern Prussia were majority Polish, but voted German due to bad timing (The Polish-Soviet war was ongoing) along with German authorities suppressing Polish activists, If that plebiscite also includes the corridor itself, could it still remain German?
 
the entirety of it was Polish? I thought the north was German.
even so large parts of southern Prussia were majority Polish, but voted German due to bad timing (The Polish-Soviet war was ongoing) along with German authorities suppressing Polish activists, If that plebiscite also includes the corridor itself, could it still remain German?

The entire corridor area itself was Polish only Danzig was majority German. The Plebsicite in Southern Prussia was held well after Poland had been awarded the corridor by Versaille
 
The entire corridor area itself was Polish only Danzig was majority German. The Plebsicite in Southern Prussia was held well after Poland had been awarded the corridor by Versaille
i'm aware they were given the territory at OTL Versailles, but They weren't awarded the corridor at TTL Versailles.
 
It's very possible (as Pilsudski once said, "in the east, doors open and close," and half the diplomats at Versailles probably couldn't point to Lithuania on a map, let alone stand up for Lithuanian independence).

The problem is that, if your goal is to prevent German-Polish border disputes, this doesn't achieve that goal--most of Lithuania's OTL coast was also part of the German Empire prior to 1914, and somewhere between 45% and 70% of the population of Klaipeda/Memel was German. The Germans' OTL demands for the Memelland would remain and serve as an excuse for war with Poland.

There’s a small bit of coast north of Memelland.
 
There’s a small bit of coast north of Memelland.
that small bit of coast was practically nothing, no way it could be enough for the 25 million Poles PLUS however many Lithuanians there were, Memel probably isn't enough, they'd need further bits of Germany's coast or expand north into the Courland.

i've make an edit to my original post clarifying that Lithuania still gets Memel to clear any confusion around it.
 
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that small bit of coast was practically nothing, no way it could be enough for the 25 million Poles PLUS however many Lithuanians there were, Memel probably isn't enough, they'd need further bits of Germany's coast or expand north into the Courland.

i've make an edit to my original post clarifying that Lithuania still gets Memel to clear any confusion around it.

The number of poles and Lithuanians doesn’t have anything to do with how much coastline is needed...a port could be built north of Memel (like how Poland built Gdynia IOTL)
 
The number of poles and Lithuanians doesn’t have anything to do with how much coastline is needed...a port could be built north of Memel (like how Poland built Gdynia IOTL)
But still. i don't know if Memel and this new port would be enough to provide like the corridor was,.

Plus this makes Poland more reliant on Lithuania not breaking away, meaning that if the Lithuanians want to leave, i don't think the Poles would exactly just let them go unless the Lithuanians makes a deal about their ports.
 
But still. i don't know if Memel and this new port would be enough to provide like the corridor was,.

Plus this makes Poland more reliant on Lithuania not breaking away, meaning that if the Lithuanians want to leave, i don't think the Poles would exactly just let them go.

Make the Lithuanians equal partners in a confederation, instead of a subject people of the Polish nation. (Essentially what Austria did to Hungarians)
 
Make the Lithuanians equal partners in a confederation, instead of a subject people of the Polish nation. (Essentially what Austria did to Hungarians)
That was a given from the start, if the nation is created at Versailles like i stated they would probably have be made to do this and the Poles would know that's a bad idea anyways.
 
The number of poles and Lithuanians doesn’t have anything to do with how much coastline is needed...a port could be built north of Memel (like how Poland built Gdynia IOTL)

Assuming there is a good spot for actually building such a large Harbor, the economy would suffer from having to ferry export goods fro and to a solid 1-200 extra kilometers.
 
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