If the Hohenzollerns don't get Kleve Mark and Ravensberg would they try to expand in the Balticum?
What would be long time impact for Rheinland and Westfalen ?
What would be long time impact for Rheinland and Westfalen ?
I think the main effect would be that the Hohenzollern would stay or re-convert to Lutheranism, in OTL their conversion to Reformism was to large extent a result of their attempt to strengthen their position in the Rhineland, as the Dutch and means of the minor states in the region was Reformed. Hohenzollern with greater focus on the Baltic would be more busy marrying into the Lutheran houses which dominated that region.If the Hohenzollerns don't get Kleve Mark and Ravensberg would they try to expand in the Balticum?
What would be long time impact for Rheinland and Westfalen ?
If the Hohenzollerns don't get Kleve Mark and Ravensberg would they try to expand in the Balticum?
What would be long time impact for Rheinland and Westfalen ?
their claim to Mark+Kleve was through the last duke's eldest sister, while the Catholic claimants were through the second/third daughter
The Cleves-Jülich-Berg succession was a bit complicated because of that; this was an exceptional case. The United Duchies of Jülich, Cleves and Berg were united due to a series of privileges, one of which was the right of succession to the female line in case the male line became extinct. This was later muddled a bit by other such Imperial privileges, placing a bit of a higher emphasis on certain lines, though the precise interrelation wasn't very clear. AS a side note, the United Duchies were themselves united in personal union because the Duke of Cleve (and count of Mark) inherited Jülich, Berg and Ravensberg, because of his marriage to the daughter of the old Duke.Can you explain this to me? I thought that Salic Law meant that titles could never pass through a female line.
Might it become part of the Netherlands later on, possibly after a Napoleon-esque dismantlement of the HRE (if such a thing still happens)?Of course the survival of the duchy of the many names would gave pretty large effect on history itself. It's pretty much a state the same size as ducal Bavaria, and it would be reformed neighbour to the Dutch, which would likely use Dutch Bibles and Dutch as administrative language.
Might it become part of the Netherlands later on, possibly after a Napoleon-esque dismantlement of the HRE (if such a thing still happens)?
Might it become part of the Netherlands later on, possibly after a Napoleon-esque dismantlement of the HRE (if such a thing still happens)?
Can you explain this to me? I thought that Salic Law meant that titles could never pass through a female line.
Depends on how Russia is being rewarded. It will want some land. As for the Partitions of Poland... Actually, there is an idea. Some sort of early union with the Wettins or the Hohenzollerns managed to join the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and take over? They could be trainers and leaders of men defending the southeast from Turks and Tartars coming to raid them. And if Brandenburg, Bayreuth, and Prussia are all in this Union, then someone rope in Saxony and Silesia... well, easy for them to get a position equal to an emperor. Though there is the religious question. I was considering them making themselves Catholic Crusader kings, but then it would make secularizing the lands of the Teutonic Order somewhat... Liery.About the Salic Law were there not also cases where the most powerfull claimant took the inheritance instead the more rightfull?See Brabant what was inherited by Burgundy while there were the claimants of the House of Hessen a male cadet branch of the House of Brabant.
Why would Prussia get the Rhineland after a not Butterflied Napoleon if there sphere of influence would rather be in the East(Poland Balticum etc)
It could also become a Catholic state with strong ties with the Spanish Netherlands perhaps they could prevent the Dutch expansion in the Meuse valley after 1632