Vive l'Antipodée: A French Australia Timeline

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Ameck16

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I agree with @darthfanta there shouldn't be a drive for independence. But with Antipodes being on the other side of the world, there should be atleast calls for more autonomy so that problems close to home can be dealt with rather than a minister in Paris deciding what's good for Antipodians.
 

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In the case of the timeline,they just became independent in two years after the war,and prior to the war,they saw themselves as French.

Now I’m not saying the French will stop them from becoming independent,but all I am saying is that it’s odd that there’s no attempt to reconcile them. Velvet divorces like these generally happen after years of failure at reconciling differences.
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I mean war could have jaded them or the french could have found them a burden and wanted them to do it.
 

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Ameck16 said:
I agree with @darthfanta there shouldn't be a drive for independence. But with Antipodes being on the other side of the world, there should be atleast calls for more autonomy so that problems close to home can be dealt with rather than a minister in Paris deciding what's good for Antipodians.
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that's the other point. Could be huge resentment from local Antipodians on that front. Some random Parisian is making calls for their nation as a whole, if the French government refused, then you have a government who has to follow that.
 

darthfanta

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I mean war could have jaded them or the french could have found them a burden and wanted them to do it.
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From what was described in the timeline so far,Antipodea was a huge benefit to France,and was prospering economically. I don’t think they would have been a burden.

As for jaded,the only way plausible for Antipodeans to suddenly call for independence would be for France to deliberately sacrifice Antipodean troops to protect Metropolitan French troops.I think that is the only reason why Antipodea would demand immediate independence.But you will probably have to make French commanders hold the idiot ball to do that. Even the British,who clearly saw the Australians as second rate troops didn’t actually do that. I do think it’s possible for that to happen,but somewhat unlikely.

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that's the other point. Could be huge resentment from local Antipodians on that front. Some random Parisian is making calls for their nation as a whole, if the French government refused, then you have a government who has to follow that.
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Given that the Antipodean government was modeled on the Dominion of Canada,I do think that they already have sufficient autonomy.
 

Spens1

darthfanta said:
From what was described in the timeline so far,Antipodea was a huge benefit to France,and was prospering economically. I don’t think they would have been a burden.

As for jaded,the only way plausible for Antipodeans to suddenly call for independence would be for France to deliberately sacrifice Antipodean troops to protect Metropolitan French troops.I think that is the only reason why Antipodea would demand immediate independence.But you will probably have to make French commanders hold the idiot ball to do that. Even the British,who clearly saw the Australians as second rate troops didn’t actually do that. I do think it’s possible for that to happen,but somewhat unlikely.

Given that the Antipodean government was modeled on the Dominion of Canada,I do think that they already have sufficient autonomy.
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I think that's the reason there. Could be that the french decided we'll send the soldiers of the colonies out first. In general though they may just be jaded against the French government for dragging them into this conflict.

Also that autonomy may not be enough. What are the chances that they look to others and may want more.
 

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Spens1 said:
I think that's the reason there. Could be that the french decided we'll send the soldiers of the colonies out first. In general though they may just be jaded against the French government for dragging them into this conflict.

Also that autonomy may not be enough. What are the chances that they look to others and may want more.
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Even then,it will probably take years for it to happen. Independence rarely happens within two years,especially in a velvet divorce like this.It takes some time for an independence movement to get traction,even more time for the metropole to ‘get the message’,and some more time to negotiate the divorce(who gets what etc and economic treaties).
 

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darthfanta said:
Even then,it will probably take years for it to happen. Independence rarely happens within two years,especially in a velvet divorce like this.It takes some time for an independence movement to get traction,even more time for the metropole to ‘get the message’,and some more time to negotiate the divorce(who gets what etc and economic treaties).
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yeah i don't think it would be so instant, unless of course one of the conditions of war support was indeed independence.
 
Gabingston

Gabingston

Gabingston said:
Part 24: The Great War​
On June 28th, 1914, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir to the throne of Austria-Hungary was assassinated by Serbian nationalist Gavrilo Princip. Through a chain of alliances, (intentionally) unreasonable demands and declarations of war, France, and thus their semi-independent yet still-a-colony colony of Antipodée was dragged into the war. Thousands of young men volunteered for the military, and thousands more were drafted, and they were shipped off on the long voyage to either Western Europe or the Middle East. For the first time, many women went to work in factories, as there was a labor shortage from the many men who left for war. Most of the Antipodean troops went to the Western Front, expecting action and adventure but instead finding themselves sitting in filthy trenches not willing to leave because you’d die almost instantly. Over 300,000 Antipodeans served in Western Europe, and over 45,000 were killed and over 150,000 were injured. Antipodean Troops also fought in the Middle East, with Antipodeans participating in the Gallipoli Campaign and advances in Mesopotamia and the Levant. Over 175,000 Antipodeans served in the Middle East, of which over 20,000 died (mainly in Gallipoli) and over 50,000 were wounded. When the war ended, the soldiers were greeted with fanfare, but many were wounded, both physically and mentally. Demands for complete independence, previously small, surged as the Antipodeans wanted a prize for service in the war.
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1. An update is coming soon
2. I forgot to mention the 125,000 Antipodeans that died in the flu pandemic of 1918-19.
 
Part 26: Politics and Government
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    Part 26: Politics and Government​
    Preface: Yes, I know that the independence was somewhat sudden, but this isn’t real life, it’s a timeline made by a n00b, so forgive me for any unrealistic things I do with my TL’s. Also, I am NO EXPERT on government, let alone creating them for fictional countries, so forgive me for that too.

    With Antipodea being an independent nation, it was now time to decide how the country would be run. A council was set up to work things out in time for elections to come in 1925 (imagine some rich guys with cigars, mustaches, suits and top hats in an old black and white photo). It was agreed that the country was to be a republic, split into eight separate Départements with their own regional capitals. The national governments was to have two main legislative branches, the Conseil Populaire which was voted on by the public and the Conseil Politique which was appointed by the provinces. The executive branch had the Président, while the Cour de Cassation inherited its name from the French national court and handled national legal matters. Each of the eight Departments had the same structure.

    The voting structure for national elections was to be two rounds, the first round would have all candidates, while the second round would have just the top two, the winner of that round would become President for the next five years up until the next election. On the other hand, new political parties were appearing, such as the Parti Socialiste (self-explanatory), Parti Libéral (a centrist classical liberal party), League Pour L’Antipodée (a right-wing nationalist party) and Ligue Chrétien (a conservative Catholic party). During the 1920’s, Antipodea’s economy flourished, and Liberal candidate Jean-Paul Moreau won, becoming Antipodea’s second (and first elected) president, beating socialist candidate Maurice Bettencourt 56% to 44%. However, the prosperity of the 20’s would not last forever, for on a day in October of 1929, it all would come crashing down...
     
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    Ok, so I have bad news and good news.
    Bad news: I have no interest in continuing this TL, so it's pretty safe to pronounce it dead, at least for the time being (a while).
    Good news: A new TL is in the works.
     
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