Visigothic Canary islands?

In an eventual scenario where the Caliphate does not exist or does not expand into West Africa and the Visigothic Kingdom manages to expand into Mauretania (it already controlled OTL some coastal cities like Septa (Ceuta) before the arrival of the Arabs), is it realistic to consider that they could have reached the Canary islands?

Southern Morocco was an area that laid on the peripheral limit of Rome/Byzantium and later the Caliphate, so it never received the required focus for getting into the neighbouring islands. But what could happen if the Visigoths advance from the Strait southwards following the Atlantic coast (which would have been way safer tan trying to expand into the inland/Atlas mountains)?
 
In an eventual scenario where the Caliphate does not exist or does not expand into West Africa and the Visigothic Kingdom manages to expand into Mauretania (it already controlled OTL some coastal cities like Septa (Ceuta) before the arrival of the Arabs), is it realistic to consider that they could have reached the Canary islands?

Southern Morocco was an area that laid on the peripheral limit of Rome/Byzantium and later the Caliphate, so it never received the required focus for getting into the neighbouring islands. But what could happen if the Visigoths advance from the Strait southwards following the Atlantic coast (which would have been way safer tan trying to expand into the inland/Atlas mountains)?

The kingdom was too unstable for expansion.

If the Caliphate doesn't invades then I would expect the kingdom to eventually explode into several competing powers, when the Caliphate invaded the kingdom had been divided between Roderic and Achila so I think that the explosion was bound to happen.

One of those new kingdoms may eventually expand towards the Canary but the Visigothic Kingdom in itself wound't.
 
The Canary Islands are not just a "gimme" for expansion. The indigenous Guanche are capable of fighting off any half-hearted expedition.

Madeira is probably the best possibility for expansion in that region, considering it was uninhabited in that era.
 
The Canary Islands are not just a "gimme" for expansion. The indigenous Guanche are capable of fighting off any half-hearted expedition.

Madeira is probably the best possibility for expansion in that region, considering it was uninhabited in that era.
Would be interesting how the relations between Visigoths and the different Guanche groups developes and if they treat them differently than the Renaissance Spainiards. The church would likely want to missionate them.
 
The Canary Islands are not just a "gimme" for expansion. The indigenous Guanche are capable of fighting off any half-hearted expedition.

The indigenous Guanches of the 15th century maybe, but surely not the Guanches of the 8th century. Guanches were benefited from trading with the Arabs (and later the Portuguese) and it is assumed that certain agricultural skills (like planting vineyard in the volcanic soil) were acquired that way.

Pre-islamic Canaries is assumed today to have the capacity of just 1/4 or so of the 15th population, with less agricultural resources and still using more Neolithic weaponry. Probably, not all the islands were permanently inhabited then. So before the 9th-10th centuries, the islands were easy prey for every minimally civilized power who had bothered to conquer them.

Would be interesting how the relations between Visigoths and the different Guanche groups developes and if they treat them differently than the Renaissance Spainiards. The church would likely want to missionate them.

The 'national' Visigothic church was not as active in missions as the post-Reconquista one. It never performed an effective missionary action over Basques and other Cantabric-Pyrenean population which keep their Pagan beliefs until the start of Reconquista. So, I doubt they would bother to missionate the Guanches. Annihilation (voluntary or not voluntary, through imported diseases) would be more likely.
 
The indigenous Guanches of the 15th century maybe, but surely not the Guanches of the 8th century. Guanches were benefited from trading with the Arabs (and later the Portuguese) and it is assumed that certain agricultural skills (like planting vineyard in the volcanic soil) were acquired that way.

Pre-islamic Canaries is assumed today to have the capacity of just 1/4 or so of the 15th population, with less agricultural resources and still using more Neolithic weaponry. Probably, not all the islands were permanently inhabited then. So before the 9th-10th centuries, the islands were easy prey for every minimally civilized power who had bothered to conquer them.

Can I see a source? Because AFAIK, the indigeous peoples were not much more than isolated examples of the Berbers in Morocco. I don't see why the Guanche and related peoples a few centuries earlier are weaker than the Guanche at the end of their existence. All of Canarias is suitable for agriculture by what the Berbers would've had. And they'd been trading with the continent since Carthage was a major power, so it isn't quite a Neolithic group of people.
 
Can I see a source? Because AFAIK, the indigeous peoples were not much more than isolated examples of the Berbers in Morocco. I don't see why the Guanche and related peoples a few centuries earlier are weaker than the Guanche at the end of their existence. All of Canarias is suitable for agriculture by what the Berbers would've had. And they'd been trading with the continent since Carthage was a major power, so it isn't quite a Neolithic group of people.

In this link: http://www.gobiernodecanarias.org/educacion/culturacanaria/historia/historia.htm#aborige
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You can find bibliography of some interesting books (in Spanish) from local experts from the islands.

The main fact here is that the origin of Guanches is tipped to have been a reduced group of Berbers from a peripheral area with poorer skills than, let's say, Mediterranean Berbers. Some of their later agricultural skills have not been dated before the Arab/Islamic-Berber era, so the previous trading did not impact their modus vivendi as this later did it.

The Canaries have in general poor soils and limited resources, so this fact limited the population growth until a sort of 'Canarian agricultural revolution' happened in the 10th-11th centuries. One fact: the Romans found the arid islands (Lanzarote and Fuerteventura) mostly deserted, while the Spanish found it plenty of crops adapted to volcanic soil.
 
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