Vikings win in 1066, Great Norway is established.

This is just an idea I'm working on.

Harald Hardråde defeats Harold Goodwinson at Stamford Bridge in 1066.
The map is from the 1000th anniversary of Great Norway with major battles shown. Comments appreciated :rolleyes:

The flag has the Coat of arms of Noway, Sweden, Denmark, England, France and Prussia as well as the signs of Yggdrasil (the nordic world-three; for world dominance) and Mjllønr (the god Thors hammer wich never misses it's mark; for military power).

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'And I for one welcome our new Norwegian overlords...'

(But then I would).

I like it! I'm not so sure of the timeline from the information we have... How does Norway successfully keep down such an unruly motley bunch of Europeans for so long? I suppose I'd need more info than the list of battles to get a good idea how the Empire expands. Particularly why Spain, which must be Norway's main competitor, isn't also an uber-Empire with all of Africa (or perhaps it once was...)

The flag is good, but crowded. I can't help thinking some kind of combined coat-of-arms would be better, with Yggdrasil on top, Thor's Hammer on the bottom and maybe the crowns in the middle, in circular form.
 
Fantastic map, I'm not sure about the likelihood of things developing this way, but you deserve a kudos for the map alone;)
 

Jasen777

Donor
Quite amazing how you can get most of the new world borders the same with a POD over 900 years ago.
 
On one hand I can't do anything else that support any great scandinavian empire.

But on the other hand:
That flag...
The norwegian flag is from 1814 http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/no-flprp.html the odds of that flag happening to be a norwegian flag with a Pod that old is so infinitly smal that there ain't enough decimals

At Stamford bridge the vikings used the Raven banner
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/xn_raven.html
as they say in the Sagas:
En er Haraldr konungur sá að fylking enskra manna var komin ofan með díkinu gegnt þeim þá lét hann blása herblsturinn og eggjaði herinn ákaflega, lét þá fram bera merkið Landeyðuna, snaraði þá atgônguna svo harða að allt hrôkk fyrir.

(and for those of us who ain't that big on old Norse/Islandic)
But when King Haraldr saw that the battle array of the English had come down along the ditch right opposite them, he had the trumpets blown and sharply urged his men to the attack, raising his banner called Landøyðan. And there so strong an attack was made by him that nothing held against it. (Haralds saga Sigurðarsonar, Chapter 85)'

and that map...with all those post 1800 borders...
I'm lost for words
 
looks a bit like a Victoria game i once played
but of curse my Scandinavian empire wasn't quit so small:D
 

Hendryk

Banned
This is just an idea I'm working on.
The POD is an interesting one, but I'm afraid your map is the textbook example of a cliché-ridden ATL. With a POD in 1066, there is no way, repeat no way, that so many national borders are going to be this similar to OTL (if there are national borders at all, which is hardly a foregone conclusion with a medieval POD).

I refer you to the AH Wiki page Alternate History Clichés. Look up in particular the entry for "that damned Kazakh border" :rolleyes:

Oh, and you may also have to explain how one ends up with a presumably Communist People's Republic of China with a POD some eight centuries before the birth of Karl Marx...
 
I may be demonstrating my lack of knowledge about pre-1066 England here, but would that English coat of arms actually exist in a Viking dominated England?
 
I may be demonstrating my lack of knowledge about pre-1066 England here, but would that English coat of arms actually exist in a Viking dominated England?


No, it wouldn't. It actually stems from 1066: William added the two lions of Normandy to the one of England (or possibly the other way around :eek:!)
 

Thande

Donor
No, it wouldn't. It actually stems from 1066: William added the two lions of Normandy to the one of England (or possibly the other way around :eek:!)

Actually I think he just invented one extra lion/leopard for England and added it to the Norman two. The lion wasn't a symbol in England before the Norman Conquest; it was the white dragon (derived from the Wessex wyvern and Arthurian legend).
 
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Well, for starters, countries wouldn't have the name borders (including new territory) as current countries. But, I'm willing to let that slide if this is just a rough draft.

Russia definately would have taken the Ukraine, and China may or may not even be a communist country.

The Vikings would also have to contend with Mongolia, Russia, and maybe the Turks.

I suppose there would need to be an answer as to how the Vikings fended off most of North America to themselves...

Is the Mexican empire Aztec/Mexica, or Spanish Mexico?

If the Vikings introduced technology (plus livestock), then that would drastically alter everything. The new world would just be a few hundred years past the point of recovery after diseases set in (assuming a 1500AD rediscovery date). So, they could possibly be easier pickings for European countries.

Africa would look vastly different, including Australia.

Israel wouldn't exist, unless the Vikings decided to restore them. (Israel was only restored shortly after WWII)

How long can the Vikings keep the New World a secret before the rest of Europe finds out? Maybe 200 years at best? Even then, the native americans would have their populations drastically cut by then due to diseases.

I doubt India would grab that much land up north (it's all mountains and desert).

Brazil was Portuguese. If the Portuguese (and Netherlands) are gone, then Brazil as we know it wouldn't exist.
 
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