Vikings in the Pacific

NapoleonXIV

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How could this happen? I know it's virtually impossible but like they said in 'Dumb and Dumber' "...that means there's a chance..."

Could they have been blown down to Panama, then portaged the Dragon ships? Or might they have gone back the Great Lakes and struck out for Oregon from Green Bay?

And what would happen once they got there. Could they move down to Kiwiland and give us Harald Hardrada vs the Maoris?
 

Rockingham

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How could this happen? I know it's virtually impossible but like they said in 'Dumb and Dumber' "...that means there's a chance..."

Could they have been blown down to Panama, then portaged the Dragon ships? Or might they have gone back the Great Lakes and struck out for Oregon from Green Bay?

And what would happen once they got there. Could they move down to Kiwiland and give us Harald Hardrada vs the Maoris?

If you somehow have viking gain controll of russia(or part of it), form a durable dynasty, and expand to siberia and pacific, this is achieved(not quite how you wanted it though). This is almost ASB, however, it is the only real possibility not involving some crazy continental/cilimatic change.
 
How about, the Vinland colonies survive, they keep exploring/sailing along the Canadian arctic before the weather gets too cold, they find gold in the Yukon and that encourages further exploration west...?
Though I think the Viking Russian dynasty idea is good.
 
How could this happen? I know it's virtually impossible but like they said in 'Dumb and Dumber' "...that means there's a chance..."

Could they have been blown down to Panama, then portaged the Dragon ships? Or might they have gone back the Great Lakes and struck out for Oregon from Green Bay?

And what would happen once they got there. Could they move down to Kiwiland and give us Harald Hardrada vs the Maoris?


problem is, they still have to get back to somewhere to bring news of the new lands and then have resources and people to expolit those new lands. I think its ASB, just like Vikings in Paraguay (though that didn't once stop that government claiming Vikings had settled there)
 
How could this happen? I know it's virtually impossible

That is a fair comment. The Vikings weren't great ocean navigators like the Polynesians or the Early Modern Europeans. Instead they hopped shorter distances to places where they could land their ships before moving on.

As for using Vinland as a base for further exploration, only if some of them settle down and establish farms, and give their attitude to the natives, that quickly became a nonstarter.

If you are looking for Vikings to travel beyond their historical range, going down the coat or Africa or portage across the Sinai are more likely if still virtually impossible.
 
How about . . .
One of the Varangians tells some of his family stories about strange places and peoples far to the east. One of his young nephews is entranced by these stories and eventually gets a ship and crew, goes through Russia, portages over the Sinai to the Red Sea, and makes it to India. The raiding and trading is rich enough that when he makes it back home, other decide to make the trip too.
On his third trip, the young viking travels to Indonesia. Most of his crew dies on that trip. On his next to last trip, he hits southern China.
Enough Vikings follow in his wake, that a Viking kingdom is established in, uh, how about Pakistan? Southern India perhaps?
Stories of his travels are elaborated upon and he becomes known to historians as the Viking Sinbad. Some even question his existance.
Is this stupid? I kinda like it.
 
With a little Magick thrown in

Not entirely befitting of this thread, because of the addition of magick, but it definately has Vikings in the Pacific. Its an entry from Kenneth Hite's Suppressed Transmission from SJGames' Pyramid Online Magazine. Its actually the last of four such alternate Pearl Harbor scenarios and designed for use with a combination of their GURPS material.

"We were young then, and we could slay dragons."
-- Nelda Brewer Roher, WAC (ret.), looking back on 1941

In retrospect, it was as if the gods were having their grim joke. The low-slung, deadly ships appeared out of nowhere on the bright winter's morning of December 7, 1591, dragon-heads weaving at their prows. But these were actual dragon heads, and the dragons took wing from the decks of the Nihonese armada and devastated the Vinlander entrepots at Perleshavn in Hovoe. Thus did Hideyoshi Toyotomi declare war on the Vinlanders, with a strike straight from the old sagas themselves. He wished a free hand in Kinland and the rest of the Peaceful Ocean, and only Vinland had the ships and the magics to harm him, for they had kept the ancient runes of Odin and the urge to sail the whale's road after their Norse kinsmen had turned to the White Christ and the distractions of Europe. But his dragons had missed the pride of the Vinlander fleet, the sacred ships where the mighty Valkyries slept. Hideyoshi also did not count on Vinland's allies the dwarves, who cast magic weapons by the cartload, or the Saracens who wove flying carpets in the Muslim districts of Vinland's cities. Their might, and Vinland's treasure, all the godhi freely pledged when next the Thing met. Under the great captains Halsi the Bull and Hosti Njemmisson, the Vinlanders are readying a mighty fleet to strike across the Peaceful Ocean and join up with the great warrior Arthursson in the Spice Islands. They will go a-viking right into the Inland Sea if they have to summon Surtur himself to scour the Nihonese cities clean.

This is a GURPS Vikings-Alternate Earths 2-Japan-World War II crossover, which can use any and all magic to taste. Japanese shugenja and Viking rune-magicians are probably the most common, but anything at all justifiable, from Arabian sorcerors to Aboriginal shamans to Taoist alchemists, can show up in this epic high fantasy setting. (If you want to enjoy a simultaneous war in Europe for the complete WWII feeling, you can pit Gardarika and Danemark against the suddenly-expansive Swedes and Sikellians.) Magic and late-Renaissance technology (including clockpunk wonderment from ninja war-kites to ironclad Korean turtle-ships) blend with dragons and oliphaunts for the proper free-wheeling feel. This is Ray Harryhausen's Victory at Sea and John Wayne's Egil's Saga where berserk meets bushido in a battle to the death. Skoal!

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As an aside I was interested in the reference to Surtur, tho it clearly had something to do with either firebombing or the atomic bomb. From Wikipedia under Sutr there is the poem:

At the end of the gods and the world, as it is said in Völuspá:

Surtur from the south
wielding fire
The gods' swords shine in the darkness,
like stars in the night
Mountains collapse into rubble
And fiends shall fall
Man walks the road to ruin
as the sky splits in two
 
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The reason the Vikings were able to reach Canada in the first place was because for a period of approximately 500 years the Earth warmed up enough for the polar ice packs to retreat enough that trans-oceanic travel was possible, if dangerous. Maybe that continues to the point where the Vikings are able to establish regular communication with Europe and begin to undertake serious Arctic exploration, which eventually leads to the North West Passage.
 
My big problem with this is that no matter where The Vikings come ashore on the east coast of North America, they still have to get across the continent to reach The Pacific. That's approximately 3,000 miles overland.

The only other way is to sail down around the horn of South America, then up along the Pacific coast of South, Central, and then North America. A very very long and arduous sailing voyage.

Either way you are asking more of The Vikings than they were probably capable of at that time.

If you are willing to go ASB and do something like make the fabled Northwest Passage explorers kept searching for a reality, then you might have a chance. But other than going ASB I just don't see how you can get The Vikings to The Pacific.
 
N Japanese shugenja and Viking rune-magicians are probably the most common, but anything at all justifiable, from Arabian sorcerors to Aboriginal shamans to Taoist alchemists, can show up in this epic high fantasy setting. (If you want to enjoy a simultaneous war in Europe for the complete WWII feeling, you can pit Gardarika and Danemark against the suddenly-expansive Swedes and Sikellians.) Magic and late-Renaissance technology (including clockpunk wonderment from ninja war-kites to ironclad Korean turtle-ships) blend with dragons and oliphaunts for the proper free-wheeling feel. This is Ray Harryhausen's Victory at Sea and John Wayne's Egil's Saga where berserk meets bushido in a battle to the death. Skoal!

No words.

They should have sent a poet.
 
They really said that:eek:

there's a greta book called 'fantastic archaeology' (can't remember the author but its american) that goes through a selection of the more interesting 'alternative archaeology' theories and that is one of them, to explain away stone built buildings that could not, of course, been built by the natives:rolleyes: it was endorsed by a leading member of the government and taught in schools for a while at least.
 
Back in Viking times Greenland was inhabitable.
The NW passage would probally have been a lot more navigatable then. In mdoern times its beginning to be used as a real passage.
It is a bit cold and a bit of a pointless journey but meh.
 
Could they move down to Kiwiland and give us Harald Hardrada vs the Maoris?
Well, Harald did get as far as Kiev, and later the Byzantine Empire. Perhaps he could do something to fall out of favor in one of those places and somehow end up farther east. Or perhaps he hears of lucrative trade routes overland. Eventually he could end up in China, and sail from there to New Zealand. Though what he would want to do in New Zealand is beyond me.
 

NapoleonXIV

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If you somehow have viking gain controll of russia(or part of it), form a durable dynasty, and expand to siberia and pacific, this is achieved(not quite how you wanted it though). This is almost ASB, however, it is the only real possibility not involving some crazy continental/cilimatic change.

I like this one, Vikings were inured to frigid climes.

The problem is that I think Siberia up around the North and East is terrribly mountainous, as well as monstrously cold. I've read somewhere there's a valley there that rivals the Grand Canyon.

Does anyone know anything about the weather in Siberia during the Viking era, could there have been a window of opportunity for this scenario?
 
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