Vikings and the Pacific:

an interesting legend:


"The Lost Viking Ship

Quite possibly buried in the 1933 earthquake, a lost Viking Ship apparently resides in the Anza Borrego Desert State Park in San Diego County. In 1933, near Agua Caliente Springs, Louis and Myrtle Botts from the small town of Julian under directions from a strange prospector they had met the night before, stumbled upon the forward half of an old viking ship sticking part way out of the mountains in Tierra Blanco Canyon. Sadly shortly after they discovered it and before they could take any photgraphic evidence, a huge earthquake occurred and covered up the finding.

Strangely enough, Native American legends actually support the theory that a Viking ship made it all the way around Canada, through the Arctic Circle and down the west coast. The Seri Indians' legend states that the "Come From Afar Men" arrived in a long boat with a head like a snake. These men apparently all had yellow beards and hair. They were also accompanied by a red haired woman.

The Mayo Indians also have legends involving a possible Viking Ship. Their legend states that the ship sank off the coast and that the Mayo Indians took in the survivors. These survivors inter married with the tribe and this is the reason why even today occasionally descendants of the Mayo Indians are born with blonde hair and blue eyes.

So just like a lost Spanish Galleon loaded up with pearls, a lost Viking Ship buried under rubble might exist in San Diego County."

so if the legend is true, how could have this affected history...especially if this ship hap been able to return back to the Viking homeland and if more had followed?
 

Rockingham

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Seeing as even Vinland had little affect.....I would think this would be little more then a historical novelty.
 

NapoleonXIV

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Well, this is in the Medieval Warming, so the Northwest Passage might be open.

It would likely be in the later Viking period, they could regard Newfoundland as a failure and be warned off areas further south by Thorfinn's et al hostile reception. So they strike out north. Finding it generally even worse than Newfoundland they keep going, until they come out on the other side. Thoroughly lost now and with their ship breaking up they stumble on people with pretty girls and abundant fish whereupon they put in for repairs and never leave.

Or maybe they came from Kensigton? Now there's a portage for you:p
 
i was more thinking along the lines of lets say several ships worth came over, what effects would the earlier introductions of these techs have on the central american cultures...
 

Rockingham

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Actually, that would be quite cool...a hybrid Viking-Indian state in the region... and a resultant devlopemtn of states on the British Columbia/Washington region......

Seing as how no state had the desire of capacity to take control of the region until the US reached the Pacific coast(although this would certainly be butterfleid away in this TL, an analogue is quite plausible), that leaves room for some quasi-Indian independant state there.....

That is assuming the change is long lasting.
 
Well, it´s a very long voyage to make, and even in the warm period it´s dangerous.

So I´m tempted to say ASB. But, I would have said ASB about the Kensington runestone a few weeks ago until I read in an Icelandic science magazine about recent studies that indicate that it´s real.

The idea about Vikings in the pacific is really, really cool. But I can´t see it myself.

Although in my TL, which you see in my signature, they´re in the caribbean, and eventually Vinlandic vessels might take part in the age of discovery and enter the pacific.
 
the main reason i think it was possible is, because there are always bands of "young" men who want to see what is around the next bend... (myself included) who are like, hey, let's see what's around the next point...:rolleyes:
 
the main reason i think it was possible is, because there are always bands of "young" men who want to see what is around the next bend... (myself included) who are like, hey, let's see what's around the next point...:rolleyes:

True. I´m not saying that it´s ASB that they´d reach far. It´s a bigger stretch if they colonize and found countries.

But let´s consider it, imagine if during the warm period viking ships are good enough to reach the pacific. Then they might do that. Also reaching the caribbean is possible.

It´s just returning again and again that doesn´t work without profit.

Just like Nasa you know.;):D
 
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