Viking Morroco?

[Cuāuhtemōc]

Maybe the Rifian ruler would as a means of preventing the Viking expedition from conquering and ransacking his kingdom in the first place, he invites the entire group to settle down in his lands and a small tribute to the Viking ruler in exchange of peace and local control over whatever lands they settle in while also serving in the ruler's army whenever there was a need for extra men. The Vikings like the idea and accept, settling down in the area. Most of them would cohabit with the local women since I presume this group of Vikings were mostly pagan so intermarriage wouldn't be acceptable unless they convert to Islam which most of them probably wouldn't.

 

[Mr Qwerty]

Maybe the Rifian ruler would as a means of preventing the Viking expedition from conquering and ransacking his kingdom in the first place, he invites the entire group to settle down in his lands and a small tribute to the Viking ruler in exchange of peace and local control over whatever lands they settle in while also serving in the ruler's army whenever there was a need for extra men. The Vikings like the idea and accept, settling down in the area. Most of them would cohabit with the local women since I presume this group of Vikings were mostly pagan so intermarriage wouldn't be acceptable unless they convert to Islam which most of them probably wouldn't.

Why wouldn't they? Anyway, their sons surely would.

 

[Cuāuhtemōc]

Why wouldn't they? Anyway, their sons surely would.

Some of them would. I doubt they would abandon their beliefs so quickly. Their sons I agree are assured of adopting Islam as their faith. We might even see Arabic and Berber versions of Norse names popping up like Āwlāfwr or Sfyn becoming common amongst the descendants of the Islamized Norse.

 

[Shackel]

So is it possible that the Norse or Norse-Islamic might spread to Al-Andalus? Maybe even little Norse-Islamic taifas in the far future?

 

[Cuāuhtemōc]

So is it possible that the Norse or Norse-Islamic might spread to Al-Andalus? Maybe even little Norse-Islamic taifas in the far future?

Or maybe a Islamic Norse analogue to William the Conquerer pops up and conquers most of Al-Andalus and subjects the remaining Christian states to an almost perpetual state of vassalage leaving a large Norse linguistic influence in either Andalusi Arabic or the local Mozarabic dialects that are dominant in much of the area.

 

[Shackel]

Or maybe a Islamic Norse analogue to William the Conquerer pops up and conquers most of Al-Andalus and subjects the remaining Christian states to an almost perpetual state of vassalage leaving a large Norse linguistic influence in either Andalusi Arabic or the local Mozarabic dialects that are dominant in much of the area.

Interesting idea there, an Islamic Norse Spain... It would definitely result in some very interesting culture.

 

[Cuāuhtemōc]

Interesting idea there, an Islamic Norse Spain... It would definitely result in some very interesting culture.

It sounds like an interesting time-line and since this hypothetical Viking settlement of the Rif area precedes that of Normandy, I can imagine that a lot of Vikings would try their luck and migrate into the Rif to get a fortune raiding and pillaging. An Islamic Norse-influenced dynasty controlling Al-Andalus would be interesting, perhaps a marital culture is introduced to the natives with a Berber-Viking elite and an native corps of soldiers in the bottom.

 

[Mirza Khan]

Doesn't exactly fit the OP, but I believe there was a TL on here where a group of vikings colonize the north coast of Spain in the 800's, smash through embryonic Castille, and wind up converting to Islam and becoming vassals of Cordoba. I don't know if it ever went anywhere.

 

[Keenir]

late arriving to this threa, and loving what I'm seeing.

how is it not more people haven't come up with this concept? excellent work.

Most of them would cohabit with the local women since I presume this group of Vikings were mostly pagan so intermarriage wouldn't be acceptable unless they convert to Islam which most of them probably wouldn't.

how did they manage in Byzantium and the British Isles?

 

[Shackel]

Doesn't exactly fit the OP, but I believe there was a TL on here where a group of vikings colonize the north coast of Spain in the 800's, smash through embryonic Castille, and wind up converting to Islam and becoming vassals of Cordoba. I don't know if it ever went anywhere.

You know, there might be more Vikings who could colonize the North coast and become Christian. Would their somewhat shared culture allow them to live peacefully, or would it be a roughly OTL vassalage... but with more raiding.

 

[Cuāuhtemōc]

late arriving to this threa, and loving what I'm seeing.

how is it not more people haven't come up with this concept? excellent work.




how did they manage in Byzantium and the British Isles?

They remained pagan as to my understanding. I would suppose that the second and third generation descendants would eventually adopt Islam.

 

[MNP]

They remained pagan as to my understanding. I would suppose that the second and third generation descendants would eventually adopt Islam.

In Byzantium those that stayed assimilated totally into the society by the third generation IIRC. I am sure BG will correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Cuāuhtemōc]

In Byzantium those that stayed assimilated totally into the society by the third generation IIRC. I am sure BG will correct me if I am wrong.

I didn't disagree with you.

 

[MNP]

I didn't disagree with you.

I was merely comparing what you said to my understanding of what happened in Byzantium to both answer a previous question and provide support for your own answer.

 

[Cuāuhtemōc]

I was merely comparing what you said to my understanding of what happened in Byzantium to both answer a previous question and provide support for your own answer.

I'm glad we agree.

 

[Shackel]

Say, what would you suspect the architecture would look like after a generation or so? Do you think it might evolve into something that looks sort of East Asian?

 

[Cuāuhtemōc]

Say, what would you suspect the architecture would look like after a generation or so? Do you think it might evolve into something that looks sort of East Asian?

I think that it would remain more or less typical of Moorish architecture. The Norse at the time didn't have architectural wonders to boast about. Maybe they borrow ideas from other peoples?

 

[Shackel]

Ah, I was thinking of something like their spiky houses becoming more permanent, and therefore fusing into Moorish architecture.

 

[Cuāuhtemōc]

Ah, I was thinking of something like their spiky houses becoming more permanent, and therefore fusing into Moorish architecture.

Mind providing an example? I haven't heard of these.

 

[Shackel]

Well, here are some of the "boat" houses.

http://www.vikingdenmark.com/viking-houses-architecture-inside-layout.html