Vijayanagara Ascendant. A South Indian TL

Howdy: thought I'd do a new map for the timeline. Since we don't really know exactly how the war in Europe ended, I kinda assumed that the Ottomans coming in on the British-German side would be the straw that breaks the camel's back and brings the Russians and therefore the French to the negotiating table...

I am also assuming African colonization, Germany receiving French African territory in the peace treaty, and that things do not go well in smashed-flat Italy after the war...


Bruce
 
And here's the map.

Bruce

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Wow- an excellent effort. Some details need to be ironed out (e.g. N. German Taipei isn't likely to bear that name, but rather something along the lines of Formosa) but all in all I like it!

One thing I'll be interested in exploring is how Vijayanagar gets over it's energy poverty. They're pretty dependent on imported coal and the situation isn't going to be much better with not much oil in their Empire. Now might be a good time for biofuel to come into play.
 
Wow- an excellent effort. Some details need to be ironed out (e.g. N. German Taipei isn't likely to bear that name, but rather something along the lines of Formosa) but all in all I like it!

One thing I'll be interested in exploring is how Vijayanagar gets over it's energy poverty. They're pretty dependent on imported coal and the situation isn't going to be much better with not much oil in their Empire. Now might be a good time for biofuel to come into play.

Flocculencio

How much oil has been discovered in the ME area? Once some is discovered there, then people might start looking for more and Vijayanagar have a number of protectorates which could become very attractive then. Although probably leading to clashes with the Ottomans, who could play the Caliphate card, especially as Vijayanagar destroyed a Muslim [ruled] state in the last war.

Alternatively it has influences in the Indonesia region and good relations [I presume] with Britain so could import from America.

Bio-fuel would be an alternative but I'm not sure even nowadays that they are really viable and it does mean taking up a lot of room for plantations. [Hence less room for food crops, less natural forest cover, assorted environmental effects etc].

How about water power with some powerful rivers off the Himalayas as well as possibly early work on wave and tidal experiments in the Indian Ocean?

Steve
 
Regarding Oil in order for Vijayanagar to get a hold of it they would need to get the Omanis to agree. They have almost all of the Persian Gulf oil, sans Persian oil itself, under their control, including the Saudi oilfields.
 
Wow- an excellent effort. Some details need to be ironed out (e.g. N. German Taipei isn't likely to bear that name, but rather something along the lines of Formosa) but all in all I like it!

One thing I'll be interested in exploring is how Vijayanagar gets over it's energy poverty. They're pretty dependent on imported coal and the situation isn't going to be much better with not much oil in their Empire. Now might be a good time for biofuel to come into play.

Well the problem is that India's coal is really shitty and really deep/mountainous, and unsuitable for steam engines or smelting - but post electrification this shitty coal can be burnt in power stations quite comfortably, and then the electrical power turned towards industrial ends.

Now we're coming to the 1940s the technology to access, transport and use native Indian hydrocarbons is complete (having been developed elsewhere in more easily accessible coal fields). Its 19th century Indian industrialisation that's really difficult, much like south american - once electricity is the name of the game everything is easy.

Its coal is all in the extreme north of the eastern ghats and thus on its border, but Vijay now has 10% of the world coal supply within its domain. It will have little power problems once the infrastructure is built.

All its heavy industrial cities are going to be on the north east coast because of this I guess.
 
Regarding Oil in order for Vijayanagar to get a hold of it they would need to get the Omanis to agree. They have almost all of the Persian Gulf oil, sans Persian oil itself, under their control, including the Saudi oilfields.

ImmortalImpi

The map shows Oman as an area under Vijayanagar influence. It would depend on how much influence that was and how much there might be opposition.

Steve
 
Well the problem is that India's coal is really shitty and really deep/mountainous, and unsuitable for steam engines or smelting - but post electrification this shitty coal can be burnt in power stations quite comfortably, and then the electrical power turned towards industrial ends.

Now we're coming to the 1940s the technology to access, transport and use native Indian hydrocarbons is complete (having been developed elsewhere in more easily accessible coal fields). Its 19th century Indian industrialisation that's really difficult, much like south american - once electricity is the name of the game everything is easy.

Its coal is all in the extreme north of the eastern ghats and thus on its border, but Vijay now has 10% of the world coal supply within its domain. It will have little power problems once the infrastructure is built.

All its heavy industrial cities are going to be on the north east coast because of this I guess.

Nugax

Sounds good as long as no border problems occur or until environmental matters start becoming a problem. [May not be very pleasant working in the Vijayanagar industrial zone even when other areas worldwide are possibly cleaning up their act if the coal is that poor. Although probably still some technological solutions for clean burning].

Steve
 
@ B_Munro, I really like the map, but is light turquoise the right colour for South India?

Also on the coal front, an independent South Africa or Australia would also potentially be a huge supplier. (Australian revolution maybe? Chinese/Indonesian/Polish lower classes rise up against the French rulers!).
 
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