Vietnamized America Part Three

Okay, Part Three to our little alternate historical opera. If you haven't read Parts One and Two, then don't bother reading this. It won't make any sense.

1929: The stock market crashes. As the great depression hits, most Americans feel they can't trust Roosevelt to help them. Roosevelt tries a plan similar to his New Deal plan in the US, but this is criticized as communistic.

1930: Roosevelt is shot at by a man who's gone insane from the state of the economy. Roosevelt uses the opportunity to go after the Sons of the South.

1932: Roosevelt's last act in office is to grant General Douglas MacArthur the control of the strike force against the SOS.

1933: President Thomas Dewey is inaugarated. His campaign platform is the complete destruction of the Sons of the South.

1935: Dewey gets lucky and a key leader in the SOS is assassinated. This guarentees him reelection.

1936: Dewey continues to go after the Sons of the South, but fails to beat them.

1940: Dewey leaves the presidency having been unable to totally defeat the SOS as promised. His opponent, Joseph P. Kennedy Sr., takes over.

1941: Pearl Harbor is bombed, but most people don't think it was the Japanese, but instead the SOS. Bombers are sent into the south.

1942: Kennedy is informed that it was the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor. After a heartfelt apology to the Americans who died in the bombing raids of the south, he orders an invasion of Japan. Only Japan.

1944: The Japanese are defeated with the assassinations of Tojo and Hirohito. Meanwhile, however, the SOS use the lack of Military presence in America to increase the fury of their attacks. Joseph Kennedy loses the election to Dwight D. Eisenhower.

1946: Eisenhower orders a blockade around the South. What happens next shocks the world.

Part Four will come later.
 
You should just post your ATL in the same thread without starting a new one for each part. It makes is a little difficult to read the entire ATL and make sense out of it at once. The American people believe the Sons of the South, a paramilitary organization, somehow conjures up 50+ dive bombers and torpedo planes in order to attack Pearl Harbor - well, that stretches your ATL really thin. Kinda throws out the window the concept of military intelligence - not to mention the eventual declaration of war the Japanese later issue.

Don't you think people would have thought it would have been easier for these 'terrorist' to have attacked the US Fleet either at its original Pacifice homeport of San Diego or at its base in Norfolk, - rather than Hawaii?

Think it would take alot more than 2 years to battle and then invade Japan.
 
David S Poepoe said:
You should just post your ATL in the same thread without starting a new one for each part. It makes is a little difficult to read the entire ATL and make sense out of it at once. The American people believe the Sons of the South, a paramilitary organization, somehow conjures up 50+ dive bombers and torpedo planes in order to attack Pearl Harbor - well, that stretches your ATL really thin. Kinda throws out the window the concept of military intelligence - not to mention the eventual declaration of war the Japanese later issue.

Don't you think people would have thought it would have been easier for these 'terrorist' to have attacked the US Fleet either at its original Pacifice homeport of San Diego or at its base in Norfolk, - rather than Hawaii?

Think it would take alot more than 2 years to battle and then invade Japan.

1) I believe that if the US had not been fighting Germany as well, then we would have defeated Japan early.

2) Military intelligence didn't really exist at this point. The OSS was years away, and the FBI was usually busy denying the Mafia existed.
 
Robert Sullivan said:
1930: Roosevelt is shot at by a man who's gone insane from the state of the economy. Roosevelt uses the opportunity to go after the Sons of the South.

1935: Dewey gets lucky and a key leader in the SOS is assassinated. This guarentees him reelection.

1944: The Japanese are defeated with the assassinations of Tojo and Hirohito.

See my comment re: VA Part One.
 

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Robert Sullivan said:
Please explain why it's so implausible, and maybe for once you'd sound a little credible.
The reason is because it would be impossible for the south to sustain a guerilla war past the 1880's. Ocassional incidents of terrorism and the occasioanl uprising sure but no largescale guerilla war past then.
 
From all appearances the Sons of the South is nothing more than an American version of the Mafia. All the points about the unlikelihood of the guerilla movement lasting beyond the 1870-1880s are probably valid. Economics will render the SOS more a hinderance to the development of the South. I can't quite see how this will be a multi-generation conflict.
 
David S Poepoe said:
From all appearances the Sons of the South is nothing more than an American version of the Mafia. All the points about the unlikelihood of the guerilla movement lasting beyond the 1870-1880s are probably valid. Economics will render the SOS more a hinderance to the development of the South. I can't quite see how this will be a multi-generation conflict.
I disagree. The south is full of very determined people. I'm sure that if they dedicated their resources to a conflict such as this that they could accomplish something.
 
Robert Sullivan said:
1935: Dewey gets lucky and a key leader in the SOS is assassinated. This guarentees him reelection.

1941: Pearl Harbor is bombed, but most people don't think it was the Japanese, but instead the SOS. Bombers are sent into the south.

1942: Kennedy is informed that it was the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor. After a heartfelt apology to the Americans who died in the bombing raids of the south, he orders an invasion of Japan. Only Japan.

1944: The Japanese are defeated with the assassinations of Tojo and Hirohito. Meanwhile, however, the SOS use the lack of Military presence in America to increase the fury of their attacks. Joseph Kennedy loses the election to Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Some comments on this. First of all, why the hell should the Americans believe that the SOS bombed Pearl Harbor? Will the government suppress all pictures, all reports, everything? What about the Japanese declaration of war that was handed over on 8 December 1941? There were thousands of people on Hawaii. So will the government cut all phone lines, censor all mail, etc. just to cover the story?

Second, why do you always refer to assassinations? Who kills Hirohito and Tojo? The Secret Service? ASB's? I do not see the US in 1944 of being capable to carry this out. And the stuff about an invasion of Japan in 1944 is ridiculuos, especially for a US whose resources are likely smaller than OTL. After all, they have 60 years of guerilla war on their country and after bombing the South, they will not have many soldiers from there...BTW, wasn't Chester Nimitz a Southern born man?

Third, when in 1942 does the US finally move against Japan? If it takes more than a few weeks, the Japanese are likely to invade Australia.

Further comments might be made. After all, I did apppreciate your efforts, but this part of your timeline should be started again from zero. Sorry for that.
 
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