Victorious KMT sphere of influence

Just like all the crippling sanctions that followed Tiananmen Square...
Internal repression, which depressingly under the Westphalian tradition often means it gets overlooked or not treated all that seriously.


... the Sino-Indian War...
In the grand scheme of things a minor border spat.


... the Chinese annexation of the Paracel Islands...
Territorial waters are rather different from an entire country.


... the Sino-Vietnamese War?
Not an annexation but an intervention to try an change their actions in a third country, which failed in its goals.


How about all the sanctions heaped on Morocco after it wiped Western Sahara off the map?
A 'state' which is recognised by less than a fifth of the countries in the world - none of which I'd really class as important ones, is as far as I'm aware not a UN member, and not recognised by any permanent member of the Security Council. You also have a tricky background involving contested claims and the legacy of colonialism thanks to Spain.


If OTL's China is too important to the global economy to seriously sanction, imagine how laughable the idea of putting putting serious sanctions on a China that's been a player since the 1950s would be.
You're assuming that Nationalist China would still be a linchpin of international trade. Whilst they would potentially be a large market, with several decades head start they could price themselves out of the market for low-cost manufacturing before the boom begins in the 1980s and '90s. Alternatively it might still be possible in the less developed inland provinces, you could argue it either way.


There'd be some noise in the west, but soon enough it'll just be written off as another communist state passing its best before date.
A quick search suggests that Mongolia had already seen public protests begin in 1989 like other Soviet-aligned states, announced the transition to democracy in March of 1990 and held their first free, for a certain value of free, elections in July of that year. All of which was before the Soviet Union collapsed. Any China that tried annexing Mongolia might try and use that argument as a pretext but I can't see many people accepting it, instead seeing it as the crushing of a flowering democracy. There's also the fact that even when dealing with communist countries everyone, for the most part, still respected national borders whilst merrily overthrowing governments.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. :)
 
An annexation of Mongolia assumes China stays autocratic it is possible it becomes a democracy in the 90s. Not a certainty but a possibility with 40 years of butterflies. If it does become a democracy I believe it would not wish to annex Mongolia but rather influence it diplomatically in the same way as they would with Korea and South Asia.
 
An annexation of Mongolia assumes China stays autocratic it is possible it becomes a democracy in the 90s. Not a certainty but a possibility with 40 years of butterflies. If it does become a democracy I believe it would not wish to annex Mongolia but rather influence it diplomatically in the same way as they would with Korea and South Asia.
Just cause it’s a democracy doesn’t mean it won’t want to annex Mongolia
 
I imagine Nationalist China would try and position itself as a champion of the colonized peoples of the world. Really not all that different from Maoist China claiming it was the leader of the Third World. How successful KMT China would be at this, I don't know. But I think it's possible they would have some African countries, particularly in East Africa, in their sphere of influence.
 
Well if the KMT wins they will be anti soviet and would try to get south Vietnam,laos,cambodia,Pakistan(but would probebly not help them get nukes) and south korea under its influnce
 
Just cause it’s a democracy doesn’t mean it won’t want to annex Mongolia
Yes I agree but I think it would rather dominate economically and diplomatically. Also what would it gain by annexing Mongolia national pride and access to resources it would through bringing it into its sphere anyway.
 
No the would not the kmt hated japan becauase of the rape of nanking and many more war crimes
Isn't that more of a PRC thing to boost its popularity given Japan is at odds with China. wouldn't the KMT drop or deemphasize it if mean bringing Japan into its sphere of influence
 
I imagine Nationalist China would try and position itself as a champion of the colonized peoples of the world. Really not all that different from Maoist China claiming it was the leader of the Third World. How successful KMT China would be at this, I don't know. But I think it's possible they would have some African countries, particularly in East Africa, in their sphere of influence.

In my alternate Great War I have Imperial Germany losing its territorial concession in China to Japan and guided by Realpolitik follows the path to get behind China as its proxy versus Imperial Japan. Here the American "Open Door" and Germany's interests coincide so it draws these two "non" imperialists together to undermine Japan's efforts to expand at China's expense. Allowing for a USSR I see the KMT now playing a three-way game to get these powers to support it and help it secure independence for China. Thus I get a "victorious" KMT.

In this world I have Imperial Japan exerting its influence but stymied, I do not choose to have it go to open war with the USA or Germany or the USSR, nothing beyond border clashes, "incidents" and so forth. So I think China puts effort into undermining Japan's hold on Manchuria, next Korea and also Taiwan. As China grows more unified and prosperous then I see it turning to Mongolia but so long as the USSR is strong the KMT will likely bide its time and be less aggressive than the PRC.

Now I agree that the KMT is going to develop a "non-aligned" style anti-imperial rhetoric, likely more couched as its biggest ally is still Imperial Germany but its free trade/capitalism/anti-colonial talk should get American backing since I do not think the anti-Communist Cold war becomes nearly as virulent. I have the KMT backing nationalists where the PRC propped up revolutionaries, thus supporting the Vietnamese Nationalists for example. Into Africa might take far longer but I am toying with KMT China turning its back on Honk Kong more than the PRC ever did (setting up Singapore to take its place ITL), running as much interference towards Britain in India as possible, and otherwise championing the "liberation" of its neighbors or those places that once were part of Greater China. Here Asia is more a Sino-Japanese cold war with the USSR more directly involved from the sidelines, the USA and Germany meddling and Britain retreating. France still has an ugly exit from Indochina without American intervention at all here.
 
Isn't that more of a PRC thing to boost its popularity given Japan is at odds with China. wouldn't the KMT drop or deemphasize it if mean bringing Japan into its sphere of influence
You need to remeber that they where nationalist and it would be stupid for the goverment to forget what japan did becauase the people of china hated japan and there are still many to this day that hate them
 
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