Vichy France joins Axis

What would it take for Vichy France to join Axis? Question 1

How can Italy get; Savoy, Nice, Corsica, Tunisa and French Somaliland? Question 2I

Is it possible for questions 1 & 2 to exist together? Question 3
 
Oh, and not to forget that the moment France joins the axis it is very likely that the Free French Forces will get interned by the Allies, so the offer of releasing French soldiers in German captivity is even less of a bargaining chip.
 
And don't the Japanese want French Indochina?

And why are the Germans not worried about being outnumbered 2 to 1 by French divisions in France? Once someone has ratted on their old allies, there is a good chance they will do the same with their new allies.
 
And don't the Japanese want French Indochina?

And why are the Germans not worried about being outnumbered 2 to 1 by French divisions in France? Once someone has ratted on their old allies, there is a good chance they will do the same with their new allies.

ROFLMAO

In 1941 CIGS Dill was supposedly having some staff work on a plan to rush arms and ammunition & other supply to the French army were they to reopen hostilities with Germany. I have no idea if this is true, but it is a interesting idea...

But yes, in the summer of 1941 the German occupation of France consisted of a dozen static divisions in ports, & a 'mobile' corps in the interior. This was mobile in the sense that there were enough horses for all the artillery and supply wagons. ...and two panzer brigades with a battalion or two each of French tanks.

Leaving aside all that, and the logistics, consider the OTL support of the Axis. The Germans did sponsor the Charlemagne group for service on the eastern front. The volunteers received substantial incentives including benefits for family and relatives. France still had a large anti Communist population. But despite that the Charlemagne Division never received enough recruits to maintain strength and shrank to a regiment size battle group. When the Allies invaded French north Africa in 1942 the Germans attempted to recruit a full size French corps to fight the invader. They were never able to recruit a full size battalion, & that swiftly shrank to a single company.

Yet despite that dismal record of Frenchmen willing to fight on the side of nazi Germany there is this proposal that several hundred thousand French men will obediently fall into the ranks and board the rail cars headed east.
 
...consider the OTL support of the Axis. The Germans did sponsor the Charlemagne group for service on the eastern front. The volunteers received substantial incentives including benefits for family and relatives. France still had a large anti Communist population. But despite that the Charlemagne Division never received enough recruits to maintain strength and shrank to a regiment size battle group. When the Allies invaded French north Africa in 1942 the Germans attempted to recruit a full size French corps to fight the invader. They were never able to recruit a full size battalion, & that swiftly shrank to a single company.

the other side of the coin was that there was not (prior to 1942) huge defections to Free French?

so you start from the point that Vichy regime able to maintain French empire somewhat intact and not a base for Allies, a chief goal of Nazis.

if you take OTL events what happened? some collaboration in aviation field then later seized parts of merchant fleet, my view that is good indication of what might be feasible. (with the latter being negotiated for)
 
the other side of the coin was that there was not (prior to 1942) huge defections to Free French?

so you start from the point that Vichy regime able to maintain French empire somewhat intact and not a base for Allies, a chief goal of Nazis.

if you take OTL events what happened? some collaboration in aviation field then later seized parts of merchant fleet, my view that is good indication of what might be feasible. (with the latter being negotiated for)

Perhaps. Paxtons 'Vichy France' and Jacksons 'The Dark Years' present the same narrative. First a disappointment a peace treaty is no negotiated in the winter 1940-41. The general population saw this as more evidence of German mendacity. A emerging understanding in the winter and spring of 1941 that things are not likely to improve under German surizanity. Then in the summer the left is lost to any rapprochement. The war with the USSR ran counter to a large tho not majorities political inclinations.

This undercuts the idea of mass volunteers or conscription of Frenchmen for war in the east. But as you say, it is possible for the nazi regime to use French industry more efficiently, at least where the raw materials are available.
 
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