Venicewank TLs?

Does anybody know if there are any Venicewank TLs, or, if there aren't, what sort of POD would be needed to allow for a Venicewank? I was thinking something during the War of the League of Cambrai, myself. Curious for other's opinions, though.

Preferably, I would like to see Venice remain independent, and not form any sort of Italian state.
 
A member named Franciscus Caeser attempted such at least once and perhaps twice. I think I've seen a few more around here as well.
 
i'm not an expert on venice by any standards, but didn't they harass and take a lot of the islands once controlled by the byzantines? maybe if they took a little more and kept their holds in dalmatia. dont know how though
 
The fact that they survived for more than a millennium isn't a Venice-wank already?

Also, their decline was caused by the surging Ottomans and a hard time balancing their military focus, as well as the decline of Mediterranean trade.
 
Saying that OTL was a Venicewank is redundant - to wank a country it must be bigger than in OTL. It's like saying that a Britain without Africa or Asia but with N. America is a Britwank for Britain in the 18th Century.
 
Does anybody know if there are any Venicewank TLs, or, if there aren't, what sort of POD would be needed to allow for a Venicewank? I was thinking something during the War of the League of Cambrai, myself. Curious for other's opinions, though.

Preferably, I would like to see Venice remain independent, and not form any sort of Italian state.

if the expansion of the Ottoman Empire is stopped or reduced to Asia Minor, you can have :

- Venice in possession of all Greek islands : Crete, Chypre and all Aegean islands, except Rhodes for the Knights... Venice being a maritime power, its fleet can protect islands but not possessions on mainland...

But the christian kingdom in continental Greece will try to unite Greeks under his reign, so you will have a lot of fighting between this Kingdom of Hellas and Venice
 
The best way for Venice to be wanked is to make them interested in colonizing Africa or the Americas. Early on they certainly had the cash to fund such expeditions.
 
That would require them realizing that the Mediterranean trade will eventually be overtaken by the New World trade and the Cape route to Asia, and such foresight is quite rare for the period.

I think the biggest change we need is for the Venetians to realize that overland expansion isn't their best bet.
 

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The best way for Venice to be wanked is to make them interested in colonizing Africa or the Americas. Early on they certainly had the cash to fund such expeditions.
They did not have access to the Atlantic, and everything they needed and wanted, they could get from the Mediterranean ports.
 
I remember two timelines which had the basics for a Venice-wank.

The first was a crusader-states-win-and-expand TL. With Egypt a Crusader state, which allowed for religious tolerance for the Copts, the Venetians started to engage in trade through the Red sea thanks to privileges they got from the crusaders.

The second had the Ottoman Empire collapsing due to civil war. Spain, the Hapsburgs, France and Venice stepped in and conquered large parts of North Africa and the Levant. This opened trade routes through the Red sea and increased Mediterranean trade substantially to the main benefit of Venice.
 
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