Venice TL Help

Alright, so I've been working on a Timeline based on Venice, however, as I've been trying to set the PoD in the mid to late 18th century I figured the best way would be for an alternate outcome to the Ottoman-Venetian War, however I don't know alot about the Ottoman Empire during the time and generally need help on this early part.


While, as I said, have'nt figured out the exacts, one of the butterflies from this I've got in mind is the Ottomans losing most of their European holdings, eventually only holding OTL Bulgaria and southern Serbia.

The part of the TL I have developed has both Venice and Austria become Great Powers and Colonial powers (though nowhere near as large as the others), so yeah, I need some way to allow this.


Anyone willing to help?
 
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Alright, so I've been working on a Timeline based on Venice, however, as I've been trying to set the PoD in the mid to late 18th century I figured the best way would be for an alternate outcome to the Ottoman-Venetian War, however I don't know alot about the Ottoman Empire during the time and generally need help on this early part.


While, as I said, have'nt figured out the exacts, one of the butterflies from this I've got in mind is the Ottomans losing most of their European holdings, eventually only holding OTL Bulgaria and southern Serbia.

The part of the TL I have developed has both Venice and Austria become Great Powers and Colonial powers (though nowhere near as large as the others), so yeah, I need some way to allow this.

Anyone willing to help?


HAHAHA please allow me to introduce myself, I am Franciscus Caesar, or Francesco. You, my friend, are me 3 months ago! please, follow the link on me signature and you will have the creepy realization of how our minds are linked!! better yet, go to threads started by me and look up Ideas on a Venice TL, you will surely laugh! Hope you follow the link and read it, I'm sure youll love it:p

Francesco
 

Keenir

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Alright, so I've been working on a Timeline based on Venice, however, as I've been trying to set the PoD in the mid to late 18th century I figured the best way would be for an alternate outcome to the Ottoman-Venetian War, however I don't know alot about the Ottoman Empire during the time and generally need help on this early part.

While, as I said, have'nt figured out the exacts, one of the butterflies from this I've got in mind is the Ottomans losing most of their European holdings, eventually only holding OTL Bulgaria and southern Serbia.

The part of the TL I have developed has both Venice and Austria become Great Powers and Colonial powers (though nowhere near as large as the others), so yeah, I need some way to allow this.

Anyone willing to help?

I'll help.

offhand...
Venice becomes a Great Power because they beat the Ottomans? um, the Ottomans didn't have any colonies Venice could take.

and if it looks like Austria is going to tear the Ottomans apart, Britain and France will intervene -- Britain because without the Ottomans there, Russia will control the Bosphorus; France for reasons that escape me ATM)

fortunately, in the 1800s, the Balkans were still loyal to the Ottomans (the Young Turks hadn't yet alienated the region)
 
I'll help.

Danke.


offhand...
Venice becomes a Great Power because they beat the Ottomans? um, the Ottomans didn't have any colonies Venice could take.

Well, yes and no, they're successful in the war, this allows them to continue on and they become a great power down the road, though they do later on take part of Ottoman Libya, though in a different war.


and if it looks like Austria is going to tear the Ottomans apart, Britain and France will intervene -- Britain because without the Ottomans there, Russia will control the Bosphorus; France for reasons that escape me ATM)

Austria never have a chance to outright provide a killing blow to the Ottomans so to speak, though they do eventually, as I said take control of most of Ottoman Europe.
Actually, their is a sort of analogue to the Crimean war, that is it's a war that started do to Russian meddling with the Ottomans, that results with Austria nominally aiding the Ottomans for the same reason that Britain would, since Austria by that point had Black Sea coasts.

As for France, well France is France, and are interested in their own projects and machinations.


fortunately, in the 1800s, the Balkans were still loyal to the Ottomans (the Young Turks hadn't yet alienated the region)

The Ottomans do keep some European territory, which late is split between the Republic of Bulgaria and the European section of the Anatolian Republic (OTL Turkey plus Armenia, Thrace and part of North-West Iran).
 
HAHAHA please allow me to introduce myself, I am Franciscus Caesar, or Francesco. You, my friend, are me 3 months ago! please, follow the link on me signature and you will have the creepy realization of how our minds are linked!! better yet, go to threads started by me and look up Ideas on a Venice TL, you will surely laugh! Hope you follow the link and read it, I'm sure youll love it:p

Francesco

Well, glad to know Venice is getting some importance.

Oh, and I would check it out, but that'd result in some of your ideas spilling over into mine and stuff.

So, in other words, I will once I've finished mine.
 

Keenir

Banned

reci ederim.


Well, yes and no, they're successful in the war, this allows them to continue on and they become a great power down the road,

one quibble: this wouldn't be the first time that Venice tried picking a fight with the Ottomans (the end result was usually a re-negotiation of Venice's trade rights).

...but if they're siding with one of the Ottomans' traditional (200ish years) enemies....well, Venice just shot itself in the foot, given how much business Venetians [as a population] just lost.

Genoa's no doubt sitting to one side, going "YES!"

though they do later on take part of Ottoman Libya, though in a different war.

okay; I can see how someone could take Libya - it wasn't as firmly a part of the Empire, as compared to, say, Anatolia or pre-Napoleonic Egypt. (and especially after Napoleon went through, the connections to Libya likely weren't as good as they used to be)


you're doing good, mind you; better than many others.
 
one quibble: this wouldn't be the first time that Venice tried picking a fight with the Ottomans (the end result was usually a re-negotiation of Venice's trade rights).

...but if they're siding with one of the Ottomans' traditional (200ish years) enemies....well, Venice just shot itself in the foot, given how much business Venetians [as a population] just lost.

I'm sort of envisioning the Ventians seeing the war as bad earlier on and the Autrians negotiating a peace ebtween the two as they did OTL, though of course with Austria only gaining the Ventian areas of Dalmatia.


Genoa's no doubt sitting to one side, going "YES!"

Perhaps so, actually, that could be useful for explaining the sort of love-hate relationship between Venice and Sardinia later on.


okay; I can see how someone could take Libya - it wasn't as firmly a part of the Empire, as compared to, say, Anatolia or pre-Napoleonic Egypt. (and especially after Napoleon went through, the connections to Libya likely weren't as good as they used to be)
you're doing good, mind you; better than many others.

Thanks.

Actually, all in all the Ventian colonial Empire does'nt become really large, it is diverse though, ranging from the Caribbean to Africa to the Indian ocean to South-East Asia, but the colonies really don't tend to be large in size.

An example of this being the largest colony (Libya is more integrated and has a different legal basis) is roughly the size of Gabon.
 
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