Venetian National Consciousness and Independence Post-Risorgimento

After the crushing of the Venetian independence revolt in the aftermath of the Risorgimento, was there enough Venetian national consciousness, separate from pan-Italian nationalism, to support an independent state? Would it be politically possible for one to come into existence? Would it, if it was created, have had any institutional carryover from la Serenissima?
 
Believe there was a timeline this before, it'd be nice to see a new doge around

A new Venice might end up making a solid break from the past, so much the title of "Doge" might not exist and they crown a European royal instead. Or maybe they elect a President in the style of the US, France or Latin America. If there still is a doge, the position of Doge doesn't seem like it will work the same way as it did in the old republic and could just end up a fancy word for "president of Venice".
 
I personnaly dont like Crowning a Royal from an existing familly firstly because a lot of the time they arent descendant in the male line of the first encstor of the familly to many bastard there was king who werent the son of their father a lot of them and even if there was no bastard down the line which is extremely unlikely the british fench austrian ect got bastrad down the line then they are descendent of people who commited war crime and other such crime and a lot of royal who are supossed great for some reform or other thing didnt do the reform or law or govern they just let other and took credit no if they need a royal familly they need to choose a good Citizen.
 
I don't see anyone having mentioned this, but wasn't a HUGE issue for regional parts of Italy was that the regional languages had little prestige (especially post Renaissance) compared to the Italian language itself, based on the Florentine dialect? Since Italy had to some extent a unified language amongst the upper classes, that means Venetian nationalism will be more difficult to develop. And Italy as a unified state was already imagined--Machiavelli certainly had imagined it. You need Venice to make its own identity. That will be a major cultural struggle (maybe comparable to the cultural issue in Tsarist Russia which you can still see traces of today, the whole "Is Russia a European state or something unique?") throughout the ages. For the "Venetianists", they can and should emphasise the maritime traditions of the republic (unlike the land-based city states and else) and the fact that Venice is not just Italian, but has Illyrian ancestry or something. Possibly emphasising a Slavic element could work too (if Venice can assimilate the Slavic populations into being something like "Slavic Venetians" and not Croats or Slovenes or whatever, that would be very good), as well as a Greek element of Venice. Thinking of it, the Slavic part might not go down so well, but claiming Illyrian and Greek descent will earn Venice some credit in cultural circles. And that's where the main battle of Venetian independence will be fought--in cultural and literary circles of intelligentsia, in order to get Venetian nationalism established. Once its in place, any unified Italy will have to think twice before moving against them, since the public support will mostly be on the side of the "Venetianists" and not any Italian irredentists.

I personnaly dont like Crowning a Royal from an existing familly firstly because a lot of the time they arent descendant in the male line of the first encstor of the familly to many bastard there was king who werent the son of their father a lot of them and even if there was no bastard down the line which is extremely unlikely the british fench austrian ect got bastrad down the line then they are descendent of people who commited war crime and other such crime and a lot of royal who are supossed great for some reform or other thing didnt do the reform or law or govern they just let other and took credit no if they need a royal familly they need to choose a good Citizen.

Ancestry, bastard status wouldn't matter if the royal was any good. But that's the issue with monarchy--too much randomness in who rules, and the royals of Europe could pick a fool to rule the place (by fool I mean someone with no capacity of ruling, not a literal fool). And there's no need to elevate a new royal family in Europe (like European royalty would even respect that) when you could just go for the tried and true model of a republic. And there were plenty of younger sons, Austrian archdukes, just hanging around with no throne but royal blood.

If Venice had to be revived, they should've written their constitution based on the US model, and allowed for a strong Doge (if they even call it that, as I noted earlier--it could just be "President") with separation of powers. The old Republic of Venice is dead--so now they can have the Second Venetian Republic. A strong executive branch seems in line with the traditions of Venice, but now the Doge would have to re-elected every 4 years (or however many--no automatically serving for life). I'd assume Venice would have no term limits (at first, at least) to align with that serving for life tradition.

I say the US Constitution because I imagine Venice would be a presidential republic, but the Venetian Constitution could end up being its own unique thing and in of itself be a model for other countries. If independence is delayed until the 1820s, Latin American constitutions might provide a model/inspiration too.
 
but would the old Patrician familly have something like an automatic acces to the Senate or something I cant see them happy to lose power.
 
but would the old Patrician familly have something like an automatic acces to the Senate or something I cant see them happy to lose power.
Technically, they wouldn't be losing power in any event, it's just a matter of wether or not to restore it to them. Their political power is greatly diminished from the Old Republic.
 
The old aristocratic republic had fallen under Napoleon onslaught in 1797, and couldn't be resurrected. The republic of St. Mark proclaimed by Manin in March 1848 was a completely different polity: it was a bourgeois and liberal republic, more similar to what came out in France at the same time, and the only true link to the old Republic was the Venetian heritage. It was unfortunate that Manin and the Provisional Government forgot a very important lesson: Venice-the-city could no more stand alone, and the only possibility to survive was in a true union of the cities and the people of all of Veneto and Friuli. In 1848 the name of the Serenissima could still manage a strong attraction on the mainland, as well as in Istria and Dalmazia, but the people of these regions had to be co-opted into the government of the new republic.

The resistance of Venice in 1848-49 was epic, but doomed to fail. A different Manin - less concerned with the idea of "revolution within the law", more willing to consider the necessity of a military organization extended to all of Veneto and more ready to compromise - might have ledVenice and Veneto on a different and happier path.

After 1849 there was no more any possibility of a Venetian independent position: the Venetian national consciousness was subsumed into the Italian one.
 
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