Uzbeks Defeat the Safavids

Regarding the Battle of Marv and what not, what if the Uzbeks had managed to defeat if not kill Shah Ismali, instead of the other way around? This would have been devastating for the Shia cause in Iran and it possibly could have emboldened Shaybanid Khan to extend Uzbek dominions into Iran instead of the otherway around. If Shah Ismali is killed in the battle or in other instances of fighting then the different Red Head Shia Warriors are in danger of falling apart on one another. Which of course the a Ottomans will be more then pleased about.
 
I'm glad I saw this, because I was thinking of posting a thread about an early death or non-existence of Shah Ismail, and thus no conversion of Iran to Shiism. Would your scenario mean a different Safavid ruler taking the throne, or the extinction of the Safavid dynasty entirely and its replacement with a different dynasty?
 
Regarding the Battle of Marv and what not, what if the Uzbeks had managed to defeat if not kill Shah Ismali, instead of the other way around? This would have been devastating for the Shia cause in Iran and it possibly could have emboldened Shaybanid Khan to extend Uzbek dominions into Iran instead of the otherway around. If Shah Ismali is killed in the battle or in other instances of fighting then the different Red Head Shia Warriors are in danger of falling apart on one another. Which of course the a Ottomans will be more then pleased about.
Actually you yourself covered the subject.
If Shah Ismail is killed in battle the defeat of the Qizilbashes might have disastrous consequences for them. As you said - falling apart on one another. And the Ottomans would surely use this opportunity to crush the Shia Turkomans once and for all.
Muhammad Shaybani Khan might found a new Persian dynasty instead of the Safavids. The Uzbeks had a great potential.
Instead of Shia Iran there will probably be Sunni Iran which will change identity of this region.
What else?
Everything else would go the same way as in OTL. Or close.
The dynasty will be as Persenized as the Safavids were. But for the first decades the centre of the Empire might be in the Central Asia.
There might be other difference in this ATL Persia:
Muhammad Shaybani Khan was a Chingizzid and more than that he was the patrilineal descendants of Shiban, the fifth son of Jochi. As the lineages of Batu and Orda died out in the course of the great civil wars of the 14th century, the Shaybanids declared themselves the only legitimate successors to Jochi and put forward claims to the whole of his enormous ulus - the Golden Horde.
So this might lead to the conflict with the Ottomans controlling the remnant of the Golden Horde - Crimean Khanate and trying to expand in the direction of other parts of the former Jochi Ulus in the direction of Volga and in the Caucasus.
The Shaybanids might even try to resurrect the Golden Horde using the resources of Iran and declare themselves even the overlords of Moscow, Siberia and Khazahstan.
 
Very interesting points.

There is also the point if Babur and the Mongols, Babur for sometime feared Uzbek intervention in His India Veanture and of course Shaybani taking Babur's sister in marriage..
 
Very interesting points.

There is also the point if Babur and the Mongols, Babur for sometime feared Uzbek intervention in His India Veanture and of course Shaybani taking Babur's sister in marriage..

I do not think that Shaybanid (Uzbek) Persia would be interested in India. As I said the Shaybanids would have their hands full consolidating their power in Iran and expanding their Empire to the territory of the former Jochi Ulus. The Kazahs are the first to come to mind as their first target and these are tough guys.

As for Shaybani taking Babur's sister in marriage... In this ATL their son has good chances to inherit the throne of his father. That will make these two dynasties related: the Timurid "Great Moghuls" of India and the Shaybanids. As Babur's nephew would be the ruler of the Shaybanid Iran.
So there is a chance that these two great Sunni Empires will be on friendly terms.
In OTL the Timurid "Great Moghuls" of India tried to reconquer their ancestorial lands in the Central Asia. But in this ATL that attempt might be avoided as the Uzbeks would be much stronger.
 
I think the battle that killed Shaybani was after Babur's failed attempt to retake Samarkand.
 
I think the battle that killed Shaybani was after Babur's failed attempt to retake Samarkand.
Ye, the Uzbeks pushed Babur out of his domain in Central Asia.

But there was another attempt taken by Babur's grandson (or even his greatgrandson, I do not remember) - this Indian Timurid tried to reconquer the lands in the Central Asia which he considered to be his. That did not work out mainly because it was a logistical nightmare.
And that attempt might be avoided in this ATL as the Shaybanids would own these lands as well and they would be much much stronger and united. So the Indian Timurid would not risk to wage a war against a great Shaybanid Persian Empire.
 
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