USSR as an Ally of German.

There werent Nomogan incident between Soviet Union and Japan in 1939(Halkhin-Gol) In March 1940 Finnland did not sign a peac treaty with USSR. England and France land their forces on the Kola Peninsula and bombed baku. The USSR and German became allies...
 
Many fewer people would have died. Especially if the Germans just deported the Jews and Gypsies to Russia instead of killing them. When the Americans eventually developed nuclear weapons this would have changed. Moscow, Toykyo, or Berlin?
 
Many fewer people would have died. Especially if the Germans just deported the Jews and Gypsies to Russia instead of killing them. When the Americans eventually developed nuclear weapons this would have changed. Moscow, Toykyo, or Berlin?
I think, that the werent war in 1945. USSR control the Middle East, and, maybe India.
Japan could be an Ally of America and England-so USSR controll North China and Korea too. Germany and USSR could also paralyze Grand Fleet and Home fleet, using an aviation. Soviet and german submarienes fought in Battle for Atlantic. Nw models of submariens began. The conflictreached a deadlock-Alliens couldnt attack USSR and germany on continent? and Axis couldnt land their troops in Japan, USA and England(although landing in England is possible(mayby).)
 
By all accounts, they already were.

Yes, the true POD lies in seeing what would have happened if the Ribbentrop-Molotov talks of November 1940 aimed at extending the alliance had been a real effort on the part of the Germans

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Many fewer people would have died. Especially if the Germans just deported the Jews and Gypsies to Russia instead of killing them. When the Americans eventually developed nuclear weapons this would have changed. Moscow, Toykyo, or Berlin?

lol and the Soviets would have sent them all to the Gulags and they would have all probablly died anyways.

What would have happened was eventually half the world is soviet and half the world is nazi and then they fight in the biggest possible war in human history with nukes and nerve gas rockets and the whole world dies.
 
lol and the Soviets would have sent them all to the Gulags and they would have all probablly died anyways.

What would have happened was eventually half the world is soviet and half the world is nazi and then they fight in the biggest possible war in human history with nukes and nerve gas rockets and the whole world dies.
There was jew autonomy in USSR(in the far east)
 
lol and the Soviets would have sent them all to the Gulags and they would have all probablly died anyways.

What would have happened was eventually half the world is soviet and half the world is nazi and then they fight in the biggest possible war in human history with nukes and nerve gas rockets and the whole world dies.

To be fair, few GULag camps had quite the same death rates as the Holocaust machinery. The worst did, but they weren't in the majority.

And really, they couldn't beat America even together. Rather, I'd bet on the classic three-front Cold War scenario.
 
I didn't mean to make it seem like one was better than the other but so often Stalinist USSR doesn't get enough credit for being maniacs of equal evil as the nazis. Of course Gulags weren't race driven like Nazi death camps or their forced labor camps but to me it doesn't make a diffrence a forced labor camp is equally as bad to a force labor camp based on race.
 
No, the point is, the Nazi death camps had a greater percentage of dead ("kill ratio", if you like) than all but the worst of the Main Camp Administration (GULag) labour camps; in a place like Oswiecim (German: Auschwitz), the deaths were at perhaps 25 % a month for inmates. The very most infamous Russian camps, like Kolyma, reached that, but most didn't.

So the Nazis killed more people in less time than the Commies did. It doesn't excuse one mass murder, it only says another were even worse.
 
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