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It will be interesting to see how Parnell is remembered in this timeline- without the dramatic and decisive fall, his reputation might actually suffer; there won't be a sense of potential unfairly cut off.


Oh, and please don't destroy the Third Republic and let it fall to the radical right, that always seems to happen in these late nineteenth century timelines and it's so thoroughly depressing....
 

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Interesting TL Lord Roem, this is probably the first of your works that I'm subscribing to.

BTW, can we see a layout of Birmingham metro to the scale of the city around it?
 
Independent Haweii?!

It would be interesting and sounds like a possibility.

French Juche?!!

Possibly, or possibly just a slightly more protectionist system than OTL. Just about everybody was protectionist OTL and with Chamberlain being in a stronger position it may be that even Britain introduces tariffs TTL

Federal Kingdom?!!! I came.

That seems to be the case from a number of quotes, although it seems to be distinctly rocky in places.

Steve
 
Chapter VII

“River, river, little river
May thy loving prosper ever”


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This cartoon from "Punch" dating from March 1888 is captioned by a satirical poem regarding Cecil Rhode's ambitious plan to establish the "Cape To Cairo" railway in central Africa in the face of Portuguese counter-claims to territorial holdings.

“In the autumn of 1884, the colonial adventurer Heinrich Vogelsang abruptly purchased the Portuguese-held territory of Angra Pequena in the name of the German Reich (Vogelsang arranged for the contract to be signed in terms of nautical miles, therefore obscuring the actual area of land to be leased.) Responding to expansionism within the Cape Colony, Bismarck hastily renamed the territory "Lüderitzbucht" and extended the frontier by almost 600 miles to encompass all land north of the Orange River to the ill-defined northern border with Portuguese holdings near Luanda.

For Cecil Rhodes, this new German-Portuguese territory came as a blow to the ambitions of many within the Cape Colony who wished to become a major power within the African interior. French colonialists had enjoyed more success than their British counterparts along the Niger River, whilst Germany continued to consolidate their position in nearby Kamarun and Togo. More locally for Rhodes, settlers in the Transvaal maintained their expansion into Zululand, often in direct contravention of the London Treaty. In a speech to the Cape Parliament later that year, Rhodes spoke for many within Whitehall when he addressed the Cape House of Representatives to state that Kaiser “desires nothing more than a stranglehold by the Indian Ocean” and that “Without drastic action, the Cape will find ourselves isolated by the northern possessions of the four power pact.” However, even in this relatively late stage in the process of African colonisation, Britain felt unwilling to become directly involved in military confrontation in Africa, a position Rhodes personally considered to be at risk of condemning Britain to second-tier status within southern Africa. The so-called “bottleneck” of Bechuanaland was quickly transformed into a British protectorate the following year, lessening the risk of the Cape being relegated to little more than a trading post. However, in the view of many colonial administrators, there was a perception that large-scale emigration to the new cattle-ranching territories could only be achieved by properly securing the Cape's borders, a consideration that harboured ill-feelings amongst the Colonial Office mandarins.

With Whitehall seeking to divest some responsibilities to its junior partner in the Cape, Sidney Shippard, a local judge and trustee of Rhodes’ second will, was appointed administrator of the region. Seemingly without a sense of irony, Shippard promptly established his office in the town of Vryburg, the erstwhile capital of the Boer Republic of Stellaland. In doing so, Rhodes’ gamble of playing the Cape Authorities against the local claim jumpers paid off. Stellaland passed into a brief footnote and the tract for the first section of the road to Egypt had been secured. In a manifesto addressed to his constituents at Christmas, Rhodes stated that “the great Lake system, with its vast population and almost unlimited market for the consumption of our manufactures, is now finally open for constructive development under the Union Flag.” Shortly afterwards, Rhodes held discussions with his friend and rival for the Premiership, John Merriman, and assured him that the Stellaland Compromise had been necessary as a means of placating the settlers there. The two men had nearly broken over the plan, but a hasty discussion in Kimberly later that year had restored their relationship. “Rhodes’ dealings under the Stellaland flag” Merriman wrote in a letter to his wife shortly after the two men had had their reconciliation “has been a bitter pill to swallow, especially for those of us who considered him to have been an uncompromising Imperialist [...] but fundamentally, we have now acquired over half-a-million square miles of prime ranching territory, with the promise of more to follow.” Rhodes had prevented a major schism with his more conservative rivals in Cape Town, and in doing so, had also won over a considerable number of non-English settlers towards his territorial ambitions.”

-From “Cecil Rhodes: Architect of Empire” by Alfred Kwarteng, Canongate, 2007

“When Rhodes arrived in London in December 1887 to seek political support for the Cape to Cairo Railway, he found himself far less well known amongst the political elites than he would have otherwise have liked. Visiting the Colonial Office, the Secretary of State, Viscount Knutsford, originally mistook him for Graham Bower, the Secretary to the High Commissioner, whilst the Chancellor, W. H. Smith, flatly refused to meet him. Rhodes did however possess sufficient wiles, wisdom and wealth to make the Prime Minister instantly suspicious of his ambitions. Writing in his diary shortly after hearing Rhodes’ proposal for extending full British hegemony over Nyasaland, Salisbury wrote “It is not our duty to sacrifice so much, especially with regards to our alliance with Portugal, for so little promise of gain.” Salisbury’s fundamental belief was to leave the untamed centre of the continent to the “gradual march of civilisation” rather than promoting colonial ambitions in an already fractious region.

Although Rhodes would inevitably be proven right in his ambitions, at the time, it was only the recent creation of the Congo Free State by the Belgian King Leopold that had aroused strong feelings by the British public. Effective German control of West Africa was still limited, and as can be seen from this cartoon from “Punch” dating from the following March, Rhodes’ disagreements with the Portuguese over the territory of Mashonaland tended to arouse ridicule, rather than respect;
"Now then, young Obstructive, still playing the sentry,
Where nobody wants you to watch or mount guard?
Are you to rule everyone's exit and entry?
Clear out, my young friend, or with you 'twill go hard.

You Portuguese Tappertit, your chest there a-beating.
D'ye think I'll be stopped by a monkey like you?
My Mash, that young woman! Will you bar our meeting?
We're sweethearts. Will you interfere with our rendezvous?

You pert whippersnapper, my sable-skinned leery-one
My masculine wooing's too wise to resist.
Shall Roads or Rhodes be cut out by a small Iberian,
With a gun and a swagger? Pooh! You shan't stop our Tryst!

We've put up too long with your pranks, my fine fellow,
Because of your size, upon which you presume.
Oh, it's no use to twirl your moustache and look yellow!
Mean having that gal, howsoever you fume.

You'd better behave yourself, boy, or no doubt
Look back to home and stop finding Britons to goad.
Before very long we shall clean you right out.
And don't go a-blocking up other folks' roads.

Eh? You warn me off her? I mustn't come nearer?
Ha, ha! My good-nature aside, you should not be so rash!
Clear out, whilst you're safe, you young shrimp! I steer her.
I shan't let you come 'twixt me and my Mash!"​
-From “Blaggards, Braggards and Blowhards: Satire as an Albertian Institution” by Leopold Sked, Jericho House Press 1987

“At the time, Joseph Chamberlain was one of the few politicians to take Cecil Rhodes’ “Cape to Cairo” proposal seriously. At a Colonial Conference in Liverpool in early 1888, Chamberlain invited the ambitious Cape Politician to give an address on the merits of the scheme to an audience of Liberal Imperialists. Rhodes impressed the audience, and was later invited to formally present the paper he had co-authored with the Conservative MP James Hutton to the Radical Association’s new manifesto. Hutton had found little traction for promoting the idea amongst his own party, with only Lord Randolph Churchill and Henry Drummond Woolf giving the proposals any real consideration amongst the government benches. Many Liberals were sceptical of the proposals as well, with Hugh Childers in particular dismissing the scheme as “foolhardy.”

Despite the lackluster response from Parliament, Chamberlain’s patronage was enough to arouse support for Rhodes’ scheme amongst the Radical Association. At Leicester that February, Chamberlain spoke in favour of the program, with the speech later appearing as an article in the Fortnightly Review, which was now edited by his crony T. H. S. Escott. In many respects, Chamberlain’s support for the scheme fed into a perception of him as Lord Granville’s “perfect Jingo” that had been dubbed upon him since the Alexandria Riots of 1882. Whilst somewhat unfair, especially given the fact that Chamberlain had described the Egyptian Revolutionary Movement as “the legitimate representation of discontent.”, it certainly resonated with his domestic critics. Aside from Charles Dilke, many of Chamberlain’s allies in the Cabinet disowned his support for Rhodes, with James Stansfeld describing the furora as “the last gamble of Whiggism.” Regardless, Chamberlain’s position within the Liberal Front-bench had been weakened, although it was his dalliance with the daughter of the American Secretary for War that would lead to a far greater threat to the future of the Radical Imperialism.”

-From “Chamberlain and Cecil: An Imperial Partnership” by Anita Lewis, Dixon 1987

“Chamberlain had met Mary Endicott at a reception in Washington in November 1887. At the age of fifty-one, he was still slim, handsome and possessed of sufficient energy to deal with the killing pace of his American tours whilst regaling people into the small hours, smoking one of his ubiquitous cigars. At twenty-one, Endicott was less than half Chamberlain’s age, and was even younger than his two eldest children, Beatrice and Austen. Yet by the time he had left Washington in the new year, he had wooed a devout and intelligent girl of respectable New England Puritan stock. His letters to Endicott over the next few months were regular and demonstrate Chamberlain’s vast and wide-ranging number of interests. In some respects, they resemble a diary and for his biographers, present one of the best sources of information for the Liberal interregnum of the mid-1880s;
13th February: I do hope that you will find your new house to your satisfaction when you come to take possession of it. It has currently presented such a wonderful vision for me than I can now connect an image of you in every room.
21st February: I have not yet seen the child that I was unable to get along with. At times, I think that I must get it from my father, who was equally tender with children and so touched by their hopes and sorrows.
22nd February: After dinner, I took down one on of the counterfactuals that I had written several days ago and read it to the family, they proved a highly perceptive audience. Afterwards, Neville played a lied of Mendelson and part of a fine sonata by Beethoven.
25th February: I may have failed to mention, but I hope that you will be pleased that I have prepared a rose garden for you at Highbury? Personally, given the current palava with Mr Rhodes’ railway, I hope that you feel more minded to marry a horticulturist rather than a politician. I have a rather fine shower of orchids for you when you arrive.​
Before the end of March however, the engagement had been threatened when a number of the more “colourful” letters between the two had been cut, bound and sent to the offices of the Washington Post. Although they caused little controversy on the London scene, Endicott’s father responded with fury. The two men had previously enjoyed a warm relationship, with the Secretary of War and Chamberlain exchanging several ideas regarding the reorganisation of the army. With the breaking of the so-called “Highbury Letters”, the relationship soured, and Chamberlain was forced to cancel the Engagement. It was the latter action that resulted in the most political damage to Chamberlain, and was caricatured in the Conservative press as lacking gumption and clout and he was similarly mocked even in the aspects of the friendly media. For a brief period, Chamberlain’s political career seemed in doubt, and even Dilke mooted the possibility of him resigning the Presidency of the Radical Association. In April, he was even offered a Peerage from Trevelyan, but it was only out of consideration of his eldest son’s political career that he declined. Although the scandal inevitably declined, Chamberlain stated that it had taken “a good eighteen months out of my political livelihood” and whilst he would soon rekindled his old courtship with the social reformer Beatrice Potter, his love for Endicott never entirely cooled. The two continued to correspond, and after Chamberlain's death, she requested a lock of his hair that she later had made into a pendant.

-From “The Chamberlain Dynasty” by J. E. Powell, Cambridge University Press 1955

“Following the death of Wilhelm I in November 1887, the Prince of Wales was the official representative of the British government at the coronation of the new Kaiser. With the Queen engaged by a state visit to Canada, Albert enjoyed his first official engagement to a major European monarchy and was perceived by many to have done a reasonable job. His brother-in-law, the new Emperor, was already terminally ill with throat cancer, although an emergency laryngectomy, the first to have ever been performed in Europe, was widely credited as allowing him to recover enough energy to pass Germany’s first major constitutional reforms since the formation of the Reich.

Prince Albert enjoyed the visit to Berlin, especially with regards to reconciling with his sister, the new Empress Victoria. The two had grown apart following their father’s death, with Victoria taking their side of the Queen, who partly blamed Albert’s lollygagging for contributing to the Prince Consort’s misery during his final months. The coronation of her husband, although a subdued affair owing to the Kaiser’s own illness, did improve their relationship, as well as that between Victoria and her son, the new Crown Prince. On the return voyage from Hamburg, Albert was taken ill with a severe bout of his recurring bronchitis. He survived, but the sickness was enough to convince the heir to the throne to curb his intense smoking habit.”

-From “King Albert” by Timothy Scally, Beaver Books 1983
 
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So a longer lived King Edward VII, though it seems he'll be called King Albert, could have changes in terms of British society. I remember reading that he had some progressive sympathies but some traditionalist positions as well which might go well with Joseph Chamberlain's policies. This was the period where the British monarch still had a form of influence, as in they could actually have their own personal politics and be public about them to others, in terms of British politics and royal support can be helpful with some elements at this moment in time.

Cecil Rhodes patching things up with those friends of his is a change from OTL though isn't it? This'll be interesting and I wonder if you can also try the herculean task of making Rhodes even richer then he was IOTL or FaBR or the easier task of less success. The 'Punch' cartoon is very mind-boggling in terms of what 'mash' is meant to be and why the native is so scared when they are twice the size of those strange people who keep arguing with one another.

I did notice, however, the fact that Wilhelm II seems to be in for a longer life and Wilhelm III may actually get over some of his Anglophobia ITTL due to a better relationship with his mother, though what does Joseph mean by 'counterfactuals' was this OTL or is this an independent thing, I'm presuming the former. I'm curious about what Neville will be getting up to ITTL considering what he was doing in the 1890s and whether his luck may be better in the Bahamas ITTL.

Good update, Roem, it seems the stage is becoming set at a slow but enjoyable pace.
 
Hmm, so you are trying to keep the Cape /atl South Africa a little more sympathetic to non whites by keeping Merriman and Rhodes together?
 
Lord Roem

Like Blackadder I would be interesting in knowing more about those counter-facturals and whether their OTL as well.

Just checked up on Wiki to find out more about Mary Endicott and rather to my surprise found out he actually married her OTL. What was the factor(s) of difference as to why he didn't TTL?

Sounds a bit different in southern Africa with the German interest, or is this what became Namiba OTL?

On the other hand, as Blackadder says it sounds like the emperor will live a little longer and possibly his son Wilhelm won't be so at odds with Edward/Albert, who might also live rather longer if he's stopping smoking. [Which would be something of a change as he was strongly Francophilic OTL]. However that, coupled with Chamberlain getting in power possibly, could mean the latter gets his desire for an alliance with Germany. Which would fit in with the serious conflict with France that some of the other chapters have pointed at.

Steve
 
So a longer lived King Edward VII, though it seems he'll be called King Albert, could have changes in terms of British society. I remember reading that he had some progressive sympathies but some traditionalist positions as well which might go well with Joseph Chamberlain's policies. This was the period where the British monarch still had a form of influence, as in they could actually have their own personal politics and be public about them to others, in terms of British politics and royal support can be helpful with some elements at this moment in time.

I'm glad you are enjoying it!

Edward VII is an interesting character, although he rather seems to be glossed over in most histories, given that people tend to focus on his mother's legacy and the Liberal Reforms during his reign rather than the man himself.

In OTL, he is arguably the man most responsible for establishing the Royal Family as we know them today. Although he was the last monarch to actually have effective political power, seen mainly in his response to the Constitutional Crisis over the People's Budget, he mainly devoted his time to foreign policy (more than anyone else, he deserves credit for helping to bring about the Entente Cordiale) as well as improving ties between Britain and Russia after the Great Game.

He was also a great deal more progressively minded than his ancestors, something he obviously inherited from his father. He went on record in support of many of Liberal Reforms, and he had a very "Franz Ferdinand" attitude towards Home Rule, which is certainly something that is going to become more relevant as the timeline progresses.

Cecil Rhodes patching things up with those friends of his is a change from OTL though isn't it? This'll be interesting and I wonder if you can also try the herculean task of making Rhodes even richer then he was IOTL or FaBR or the easier task of less success. The 'Punch' cartoon is very mind-boggling in terms of what 'mash' is meant to be and why the native is so scared when they are twice the size of those strange people who keep arguing with one another.

I'm glad you noticed that. Rhodes did rather burn his bridges in Cape politics for a while, ironically enough, because he was seen as being too moderate with regards to dealing with the Stellaland Boers. I think it will lead to it allowing for some of his proposed developments within South Africa to be easier than in OTL, although as a result, some of his more ambitious plans with regards to combating Portugal and King Leopold will be sidelined as a result.

The "mash" of the title actually refers to Mashonaland, located in the north of OTL Zimbabwe. It was claimed by both Britain and Lisbon during the late 1880s and Rhodes saw acquiring it as being vital in his demands on the "Cape to Cairo" project.

I did notice, however, the fact that Wilhelm II seems to be in for a longer life and Wilhelm III may actually get over some of his Anglophobia ITTL due to a better relationship with his mother, though what does Joseph mean by 'counterfactuals' was this OTL or is this an independent thing, I'm presuming the former. I'm curious about what Neville will be getting up to ITTL considering what he was doing in the 1890s and whether his luck may be better in the Bahamas ITTL.

Good update, Roem, it seems the stage is becoming set at a slow but enjoyable pace.

Frederick II will have a slightly longer reign than the ninety-nine days of OTL, helped by his Doctors deciding to go for a very risky operation that just about manages to work (although all previous laryngectomies of that sort had resulted in death, the inventor, Theodor Billroth, was Prussian by birth and it is quite possible that Frederick could have decided on the risker operation. It won't give him more than a few months more than it did, but it should be enough for a few changes in the Reich's politics.

Hmm, so you are trying to keep the Cape /atl South Africa a little more sympathetic to non whites by keeping Merriman and Rhodes together?

Hopefully yes. I doubt it is going to take away the pretty much overt racism of the time, but the duo's reconciliation could have a positive effect on the Cape's relations with the Boers, especially with Whitehall on the cusp of adopting a more Pro-German foreign policy than in OTL.

Interesting…

Haha! Glad that you find it so. I think it's starting to find its feet after a few weeks of being little more than FaBR's cast-off.

Lord Roem

Like Blackadder I would be interesting in knowing more about those counter-facturals and whether their OTL as well.

Just checked up on Wiki to find out more about Mary Endicott and rather to my surprise found out he actually married her OTL. What was the factor(s) of difference as to why he didn't TTL?

The correspondence between the two is very similar to OTL's. Here however, just enough letters are leaked to the press to result in the Engagement being called off. Chamberlain's third wife in TTL is better known as being a co-founder of the London School of Economics.

Sounds a bit different in southern Africa with the German interest, or is this what became Namiba OTL?

All the details regarding Vogelsang's acquisition of Angra Pequena, including the sneaky substation of Nautical, rather than Geographical Miles, is the same as OTL.

On the other hand, as Blackadder says it sounds like the emperor will live a little longer and possibly his son Wilhelm won't be so at odds with Edward/Albert, who might also live rather longer if he's stopping smoking. [Which would be something of a change as he was strongly Francophilic OTL]. However that, coupled with Chamberlain getting in power possibly, could mean the latter gets his desire for an alliance with Germany. Which would fit in with the serious conflict with France that some of the other chapters have pointed at.

Steve

As you say, King Albert's Francophilia wasn't especially motivated by political interest (he was encouraged by Balfour to visit France after his audience with the Pope, which at the time was seen as being of far greater diplomatic importance) but the difference in relations with his nephew will be of some benefit to Anglo-German relations.

That said, I'm please that you are all enjoying it, although I would love some more comments as well, if you are interested.

Given I've been in somewhat of a creative mood as of late, I'll post this flash-forward poster from TTL's 1924;

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Neville Chamberlain, son of one Prime Minister and half-brother to another, never emulated their political career. Instead, he left Birmingham in 1890 after securing a loan from his father to buy a plantation on the Caribbean island of Saint Lucia. The venture proved a great success, with Neville becoming one of the wealthiest men in the Windward Islands. In later life, he served as Secretary of the Imperial Tariff Board as well as British Representative to the International Trade Council.

This poster reproduced with kind thanks to the Chamberlain Family Museum in Edgbaston.
 
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I'm assuming that "Franz Ferdinand" attitude means that he and Joseph Chamberlain may get along quite well, which explains how the Federal Kingdom was set up, seeing as such a change would normally cause some Lords eyes to have gone red, though if Joe can paint it right then it explains how he did it. I'm assuming that Cape to Cairo may become something of importance as the TL progresses, unless it turns out to be a red herring, but I am curious to see how the issues of Africa will change ITTL, Frederick may only have a few months extra but better relations between Wilhelm III and Edward VII should be able to be enough to improve relations.

Law, I presume, may return to our attention in another form back in ol' Canada but that's my guess though I am relieved to see that Neville gets a happier ending then OTL, things such as the Imperial Tariff Board and the International Trade Council imply protectionism but the world is starting to connect said trade areas together, if I am correct, which opens up whole new ideas. Austen seems to be Prime Minister at some later point ITTL, I presume the price for bananas is in shillings or some other currency?
 
I'm sorry but having Neville Chamberlain succeed in his plantation business has to qualify as ASB, the man was an okay business man but he knew bugger all about agriculture.
 
I'm sorry but having Neville Chamberlain succeed in his plantation business has to qualify as ASB, the man was an okay business man but he knew bugger all about agriculture.

Arachnid

Two points:

a) The POD is so early that he's likely to be a totally different character.

b) The businessmen who succeed generally realise their short-comings and hire people to fill in the gaps. He's down as a plantation owner and figure-head of the business. Doesn't mean he actually has anything to do with the actual crop.

Steve
 
Arachnid

Two points:

a) The POD is so early that he's likely to be a totally different character.

b) The businessmen who succeed generally realise their short-comings and hire people to fill in the gaps. He's down as a plantation owner and figure-head of the business. Doesn't mean he actually has anything to do with the actual crop.

Steve

I'm sorry but having Neville Chamberlain succeed in his plantation business has to qualify as ASB, the man was an okay business man but he knew bugger all about agriculture.

Hah, I can only refer you to the comment above.

It is an interesting point certainly, Chamberlain only got involved in politics late in life (he was nearly fifty when he was first elected in Birmingham) which was mainly as a result of the abject failure that his sisal enterprise was. The circumstances leading to it were less of a result of his lack of expertise in agriculture, more a combination of his own stubborn nature (a character quirk that most biographers seem to gloss over) and the fact that you can't physically grow sisal in that part of the Caribbean.

That said, it was less a serious poster, more something to keep my writer's bloc at bay, but I think it would be eminently possible for Neville to choose fruit over fibre. I've sent him to technical school rather than Birmingham University.
 
Hah, I can only refer you to the comment above.

It is an interesting point certainly, Chamberlain only got involved in politics late in life (he was nearly fifty when he was first elected in Birmingham) which was mainly as a result of the abject failure that his sisal enterprise was. The circumstances leading to it were less of a result of his lack of expertise in agriculture, more a combination of his own stubborn nature (a character quirk that most biographers seem to gloss over) and the fact that you can't physically grow sisal in that part of the Caribbean.

That said, it was less a serious poster, more something to keep my writer's bloc at bay, but I think it would be eminently possible for Neville to choose fruit over fibre. I've sent him to technical school rather than Birmingham University.

Might I suggest that Stevep and Arachnid be tasked with some Shared World project where they look at the challenges of the expat Plantation class
 
That's a RP that I would deeply love to be a part of.

:D

As would I.

Then if that works well, we can always do a victory lap recreation of the transport planning committee of Birmingham City Council, as informed by a variety of boorish expatriate councillors with irrelevant life experience.
 
In OTL, he is arguably the man most responsible for establishing the Royal Family as we know them today. Although he was the last monarch to actually have effective political power, seen mainly in his response to the Constitutional Crisis over the People's Budget, he mainly devoted his time to foreign policy (more than anyone else, he deserves credit for helping to bring about the Entente Cordialel) as well as improving ties between Britain and Russia after the Great Game.
Credit is such an interesting word, it implies it is something good. I'm guessing there is less than total agreement about that idea on this site. :D

I'm very much enjoying the timeline at the moment Jack, I'm curious as to the extent of the Federalism since England is so much more dominant than the Celtic fringe. Is the idea that moving the capital further North to Birmingham your penance for tying Northern England to the South? :)
 
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