USA with CP

Susano

Banned
I bet five internets Hurgan will eventually turn up in this thread...

Anyway, that seems difficult. Even with a PoD years before WW1 I think the best the CP could reasonable get would be friendly neutrality. Of course that would also have some consequences... I mean, I dont want to ruin, Im sure theres certainly also a way for a CP-USA alliance, I personally just dont see one.
 
A USA-CP alliance would require the Entente to be very different and indeed, for World War I itself to be very different. The only time I've seen a USA-CP alliance work is in Turtledove's Great War series and the USA in that timeline isn't really the USA anymore...
 

Susano

Banned
A USA-CP alliance would require the Entente to be very different and indeed, for World War I itself to be very different. The only time I've seen a USA-CP alliance work is in Turtledove's Great War series and the USA in that timeline isn't really the USA anymore...

It is. It just has an obviously very changed political outlook. But USA is USA, wether IOTL, in the Great War series or for that matter in Decades of Darkness. (Really, "*USA" annoys me).
 

Germaniac

Donor
Maybe some kind of relation break down between Russia and the United States in the Pacific, maybe Russia decides to force itself more on Japan and China (US has to be MUCH less isolationist) maybe after the Russo-Japanese War. The British then back the Russians (requires another POD) and the US is pulled towards Germany as a counterweight.
 

Germaniac

Donor
Ive always wanted the US in the Central Powers, nothing would be more awesome than Great Lake Battleships!
 

Typo

Banned
You need continual Anglo-American conflict, which means a fundamental change in British policy towards essentially avoiding conflict with US as much as possible.

Have the Civil war go worse for the US, more British support for CSA but the union still win with a lot of anger towards Britian. Than have the British decide to try to contain the US and interfere in the inevitable US push towards Spanish Caribbean and sphere of influences in Latin America. Then maybe you'd have a CP US.
 
Rename the Entente the Central Powers, and the Central Powers the Entente. That way the USA joins the CP.

Simples....;)
 
You need to look at the national interests of the Allies, the Central Powers, and the US. Essentially, the Allies were the "haves" of the world, they dominated the existing international system. They had control of world finance, world trade, and the largest colonial empires. The Central Powers were the "have nots" that challenged the international system in order to create a new one where they were dominant.

That was what was at stake. Would the world continue to be dominated by Britain and France? Or would the world be based on a new international order based on German control of Central and Eastern Europe?

Now, what are the US interests? First, it enjoys a lot of advantages in the current system run by Britain and France. Like the US, both are representative democracies. Neither threatens the US homeland. Much of the previous animosity towards Britain has ended in the past several decades, and the US still has a very favorable opinion of Lafayette's homeland. The current economic system offers a lot of advantages to the US whose own economy is similar. It has no intention to expand its colonial empire, although it wants to retains its dominance in the Western hemisphere. Under these circumstances, the US does not have many reasons to want to overthrow the current international order.

At the same time, it is not entriely clear that an order based around Germany would be very bad. There are concerns about its lack of democracy, and the US would not be served by a Europe dominated by any one power. Thus, there is a slight interest in preventing a Central Powers victory.

In order for the US to want to join the Central Powers, you need to give it a strong reason why a Central Powers victory is in their best interest. You need a much more anatagonistic relationship between the US and Britain/France. This would involve a POD of several decades before WWI. You also need a Germany whose politics could be seen through American eyes as being more favorable to the US depsite its democratic deficit. One possibility is Germany being far sighted enough to make an issue of the "captive nations" in Europe by Britain (meaning Ireland) and Russia (meaning Poland and some other lands). This, of course, will be very hard considering Austria-Hungary and its own ambitions in the Balkans.

So this requires a very different world than the one we have in 1914. It's possible one could be engineered so, but the national characters and interests of each country naturally propel the US to be sympathetic to Britain and France, not Germany.
 
I like the idea of a British intervention in the ACW, is this a good way to pave a German-Usa alliance?

May be Von Bismarck able to intercept the anti-british sentiments of TTL USA and twist it in something usefull for Germany, at the cost of ruining the alliance with Austria?

I'm very interested in such idea
 

NothingNow

Banned
Taking an old Idea:

I've had an idea about this that might be ASB. In it the Japanese accidentally draw the US into ww1 in 1914 on the side of the central powers (A halucinating spotter + the "Yellow Peril"). So that it forces the UK to split the Home fleet in two or three parts (so as to deal with the USN and fill in for the Japanese.) Thus in TTL's Jutland, Germany has fairer odds of victory, so no real chance of an ambush / resulting panic thus possible German decisive Victory at ATL-Jutland. Now, what are they going to do with it?

From what I've got in my head so far TTL would include Von Lettow with The Marines, and maybe COIN work by the Americans and Ottomans in the Hejaz.

Ends with the USA as a Co-belligerent with the Central Powers, and the Entente loosing because the USN and German Far East Cruiser Squadron basically rape the RN and IJN's infrastructure and Fleet in the Pacific and Indian oceans.:D
 
You need continual Anglo-American conflict, which means a fundamental change in British policy towards essentially avoiding conflict with US as much as possible.

Have the Civil war go worse for the US, more British support for CSA but the union still win with a lot of anger towards Britian. Than have the British decide to try to contain the US and interfere in the inevitable US push towards Spanish Caribbean and sphere of influences in Latin America. Then maybe you'd have a CP US.
THat seems to be were the britannia's fist series is going
 
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