USA* with Amerindian Culture.

How can we get a United States analogue with cultural influence from the native tribes, in a similar vein as to Mexico or Peru.

Perhaps one of the Great Awakenings causes successful large scale native conversion to Christianity?
 
I've always thought about something like this.

If you go with an early PoD (right when the English begin colonizing the Eastern Seaboard) then have the new arrivals from Europe be more keen with interacting with the natives. Of course, my knowledge doesn't tell me if there was the remotest possibility of the English ever having the idea to integrate themselves with the natives as opposed to what they did in OTL and push the natives further west.

Assuming that, for all intents and purposes, you get a "mestizo" like British North America would there still be a USA analogue emerging?
 
What if the Scotch-Irish that populate the Appalachians go all native? What could cause them to do this? I've been thanking about an American Boer-style-trek and the two ideas combined could lead to something very interesting, I think.
 
What if the Scotch-Irish that populate the Appalachians go all native? What could cause them to do this? I've been thanking about an American Boer-style-trek and the two ideas combined could lead to something very interesting, I think.

ARW is averted (taxation with representation?), so Britain maintains control of the thirteen colonies, possibly administrating them jointly with their other North American colonial possessions. Irish/Scottish migrate en mass to the Western side of the Appalachians and the mountains themselves, settling along the river valleys from the Great Lakes down to the Gulf.

Eventually they form a spattering of republics based upon Enlightenment-era ideals mixed with Scottish/Irish memories of British Imperialism. As the British-Americans drive the natives westwards out of their home-lands, the Scots/Irish Republics welcome and absorb them, forming a new culture throughout the area.

Just a random idea.

EDIT: Could get very interesting if the Republics successful check *American expansion westward, balkanizing the North American continent.
 
You could have a PoD that puts a pause of several decades for colonization in the 1630s or so. With the natives of the eastern seaboard with decent relations with the settlers you'll see a fair amount of trade and cultural exchange. Without continuous inflows of European settlers you'll get more assimilation into native populations.
With some amount of extra disease resistance or widespread Amerindian exposure to old world diseases by mid century you get a hardier population that can't be squished as easily. Add in a falling out between the Iroquois confederation and the British Empire before the American War of Independence and you could see Amerindians as an accepted part of the new nation.
 
ARW is averted (taxation with representation?), so Britain maintains control of the thirteen colonies, possibly administrating them jointly with their other North American colonial possessions. Irish/Scottish migrate en mass to the Western side of the Appalachians and the mountains themselves, settling along the river valleys from the Great Lakes down to the Gulf.

Eventually they form a spattering of republics based upon Enlightenment-era ideals mixed with Scottish/Irish memories of British Imperialism. As the British-Americans drive the natives westwards out of their home-lands, the Scots/Irish Republics welcome and absorb them, forming a new culture throughout the area.

Just a random idea.

EDIT: Could get very interesting if the Republics successful check *American expansion westward, balkanizing the North American continent.
In such a scenario would it be possible for British troops to be used to halt colonial expansion west into say, French or Spanish lands?
 

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The thing is colonization were very different in Latin America. First of all more tribes had agriculture than in North, your examples: Mexico and Peru even had well developed civilizations that were conquered. The Spanish were more conquerors than settlers, ruling over Natives, and many of the Spanish settlers were single guys, who thus married native women, allowing the cultures to easily merge. North American colonization was dominated by whole families migrating, starting own agriculture on land that had belonged to hunter/ gatherers.

What you need is some kind of strong Native civilization in North America, like the Aztec Empire or the Incas, since that would change the face of North American colonization.
 
The thing is colonization were very different in Latin America. First of all more tribes had agriculture than in North, your examples: Mexico and Peru even had well developed civilizations that were conquered. The Spanish were more conquerors than settlers, ruling over Natives, and many of the Spanish settlers were single guys, who thus married native women, allowing the cultures to easily merge. North American colonization was dominated by whole families migrating, starting own agriculture on land that had belonged to hunter/ gatherers.

What you need is some kind of strong Native civilization in North America, like the Aztec Empire or the Incas, since that would change the face of North American colonization.

Hmm. What a lot of people don't realize is that a lot of the tribes of the Mississippi basin are in fact the descendants of the Mound Builders, their civilization being destroyed by the waves of diseases coming from the Spanish colonies. Perhaps if their civilization stays resilient enough that they do not abandon their towns...?
 
Just to toss this out there (I'm not very good at this board), but maybe a more successful Viking colonization for say, 200-300 years in the turn of the millennium. Smallpox could spread through North America, hitting some of the Natives hard still, but they have time to rebuild by the time the Europeans come. Which, judging by the increased Viking interests, might be butterflied slightly farther into the future. North American natives less-susceptible to disease might make colonization a bit more interesting.
 

Maur

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How can we get a United States analogue with cultural influence from the native tribes, in a similar vein as to Mexico or Peru.

Perhaps one of the Great Awakenings causes successful large scale native conversion to Christianity?
Make it non-english, and cut amount of women arriving in colonies by 90%.
 
The problem is a matter of population. Mexico and Peru had a large population at time of conquest, and were colonized by a country which sent (relatively) very few immigrants. North America had a far lower population (arguably this might have been due to European diseases) and was colonized by country which sent lots of immigrants.

The Mississippian civilization had already fractured about a hundred years before the Spanish diseases arrived. What was still there were much less powerful nations who had managed to hold on to the old ways. And, even when the diseases came, they never really abandoned their towns. The Cherokee, as only an example, were still living in towns when the English arrived.
 
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