USA v Canada in an alternate WWI

67th Tigers

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Excuse me if I'm wrong, but didn't Canada tell Britain that if forced to chose between her and the US, Canada would side with America due to being its primary trading partner? Given the scenario, and if what I'm saying is true, Canada might decide to stay neutral, despite what London wants.

No, she is obliged to declare war when the King of Canada commands. Even if they could avoid it, I doubt anyone would have any illusions the US would respect it.
 
Well, Canada gets invaded for the third time. Might just be this time it sticks. Of course, the Caribbean becomes a British lake in return. American shipping effectively ends. British economic embargo of the Atlantic. I'd say toss up. USA might keep Canada or parts there of, but if the USA wants to be a global economic power, they'll have to concede something significant to get the ships sailing again.

If the Central Powers win the war (which they will ITTL), though, they could impose all sorts of crazy military restrictions on the British, like what happened with Germany. An embargo might be impossible to effectively maintain post-bellum in this scenario.
 

MacCaulay

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Mostly this has all been wide ranging "goals, aims, and etc." I agree with some of the folks who talked about the economic ties between Canada and America. This is very important. When this happens, America's going to be hurting.
And they'll want to make sure that after the war ends, Canada can be back up on it's feet quickly and selling them stuff again, no matter what the final solution is. That means: not going up the Niagara peninsula. If they slog their way through Hamilton, London, Toronto, etc., there will hardly be any manufacturing or heavy industry left by the time their done, and whatever America gets (assuming they win) won't be worth much.
This is all assuming the British haven't shipped in divisions through Halifax.
 
I have to ask. How can Britain and Canada possibly win this?

I have no doubt that they could probably pull off a victory in 1914 against the US on its own.

But over in the corner is Germany. Given the Uboats, lack of American grain, the battles going on in Central Canada, etc. what are the British eating, their shoes?
 
No, she is obliged to declare war when the King of Canada commands. Even if they could avoid it, I doubt anyone would have any illusions the US would respect it.

If this is still around 1914 and the USN is at least as powerful as OTL, I can see the U.S. respecting Canadian neutrality. No need to invade Canada to pressure Britain, when the U.S. could roll up the Caribbean or seek to combine with the High Seas Fleet to beat the RN decisively and end the war.

As I see it, invading Canada will be bad for the U.S. in terms of both losses in battle and lost trade. It would be disastrous for Canada for obvious reasons. It would be bad for Britain too, since given the strategic situation, Britain can give no support through U.S. naval blockade. So being bad all around, everybody agrees to give it a miss.
 
no, its 1906, and with a POD in 1847, and a hostile US, maybe there will already have been a war with america, maybe it isn't even the US anymore, maybe anything!
 
no, its 1906, and with a POD in 1847, and a hostile US, maybe there will already have been a war with america, maybe it isn't even the US anymore, maybe anything!

It's still the US - they do hate the French with an almighty passion, though.
 
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