USA-CSA relations

Spengler

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We shouldn't overestimate the tolerance the North would have had for free blacks. There was a strong abolitionist sentiment in New England, yes, but not nearly as much in the Midwestern States. And the riots which shook New York City in 1863 seem to be as focused on racist anti-black sentiment as opposition to the draft.
Even than I could see some politically opportunistic president maybe using abolitionist sentiment to win elections, also I could see the USA try to carve up the CSA considering how much of a ecconomic basket case it would have become (despite what some dishonest neoconfederate Authors would have you believe).
 
We shouldn't overestimate the tolerance the North would have had for free blacks. There was a strong abolitionist sentiment in New England, yes, but not nearly as much in the Midwestern States. And the riots which shook New York City in 1863 seem to be as focused on racist anti-black sentiment as opposition to the draft.

While I agree with you on anti-black sentiment in the North, I feel that sending blacks back to the CSA to be enslaved will put many Americans up in arms. The strongest abolitionist sentiment formed in the 1850's when a harsher fugitive slave act allowed slave catchers to go into the Northern states. Just look at all the Anthony Burns case. Similarly, while many will be angered at competition from free blacks, I highly doubt that there'd be many willing to send them back to enslavement. At most, I could see them being sent to Liberia instead.
 
We shouldn't overestimate the tolerance the North would have had for free blacks. There was a strong abolitionist sentiment in New England, yes, but not nearly as much in the Midwestern States. And the riots which shook New York City in 1863 seem to be as focused on racist anti-black sentiment as opposition to the draft.
That sentiment existed, sure, but two things to consider: 1) the overall trickle of blacks will be fairly small unless the CSA collapses.

2) The CSA will be there, lurking, as an anti-america for all to see. The idea that the US will sit there and not have its perceptions or ace shipped by the people breaking up families and treating human beings like cattle is... unrealistic, IMO.
 

Spengler

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That sentiment existed, sure, but two things to consider: 1) the overall trickle of blacks will be fairly small unless the CSA collapses.

2) The CSA will be there, lurking, as an anti-america for all to see. The idea that the US will sit there and not have its perceptions or ace shipped by the people breaking up families and treating human beings like cattle is... unrealistic, IMO.


2. PLus its unrealistic to assume that politicians who want to ensure reelection won't push for hostilities. And if the CSA continues to be a basketcaste such politicians won't have to work hard.
 
We shouldn't overestimate the tolerance the North would have had for free blacks. There was a strong abolitionist sentiment in New England, yes, but not nearly as much in the Midwestern States. And the riots which shook New York City in 1863 seem to be as focused on racist anti-black sentiment as opposition to the draft.

It's not like West Germans were all that nice to East Germans who fled the Iron Curtain. Geopolitical expediency can work miracles in certain senses.
 
I found plausible the ending to the story How the South Won the Civil War, which had the three ( The author had Texas spliting from the Confederacy.) nations reuniting in 1960. ( Ok that date is a bit forced) The joint entry in the two world war creates emotional bonds and the Cold War alliance is final driving force. The first step was the increased trade and tourism and the common experience created by Hollywood. Of coure if Hollywood by itself had that kind of power, we would have a one world government.
 
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