USA Black education after end of Civil War

1) Each year you move natural increase plus a few % of the base. Much like amortizing a 25 year loan.

3) Yes, if you have all black counties, but all black states make it a lot more likely to be permanent. You need all black areas so you have jobs for the college graduates and high school graduates.

Now all this being said, the odds of it happening are not good. Funding is the big issue. I just can't see heavy taxes in New York and Boston to pay for the new black used infrastructure.

I think the big issue is freedom of movement and residence. These are now free US citizens, and the government doesn't have the authority to deport them en masse, or require citizens of any race to live in or be excluded from particular states. The vast majority of blacks positively did not want to move to Africa or the western frontier.

Setting up black states reminds me of the black 'homelands' that South Africa set up during aparthied. It enshrines segregation into the fabric of the nation.
 
I'm having techical problems managing this. Last night I tried to send a post about where I was coming from but something kept blowing away the posts before I could post them:mad:

Since then someone posted the below which I think is leading me away from where I want to go. Where I am coming from is this: IMHO blacks in the USA as a group do much worse in school than whites and Asians. IMHO comparative parental indifference is the main cause of this.
How do blacks or great academic achievement become so? I think it is from parental encouragement to a decisive degree. Same with whites and Asians. IMHO this is a greater factor than quality of schools and teachers.
And I cannot remember exactly what sources influenced my opinion but I think they were largely black.

I tried a Wl to focus other people's thought on whether I was right or wrong. But the why's and how's have been too much for me.




Lets back into possible POD. Education in the USA is a local and state matter. Southern states are never going to agree to educate blacks after reconstruction ends. So you need at a minimum large black areas of multiple counties in state non-hostile to blacks or an all black state. So POD.

1) Send them all to Africa and Educate them. Four million blacks moved to a large area of Africa and setup in a stable state has huge impacts on world history (A true black medium size power) and also greatly slows USA expansion (lots of lost labor plus huge setup costs). This was actually considered, so is by far the most likely. (Not likely, but most likely). So for example, just think about what a Greater Angola including the mouth of the Congo and nothern Nambia looks like with spare civil war weapons. Mothra size butterflies.
 
I'm having techical problems managing this. Last night I tried to send a post about where I was coming from but something kept blowing away the posts before I could post them:mad:

Since then someone posted the below which I think is leading me away from where I want to go. Where I am coming from is this: IMHO blacks in the USA as a group do much worse in school than whites and Asians. IMHO comparative parental indifference is the main cause of this.
How do blacks or great academic achievement become so? I think it is from parental encouragement to a decisive degree. Same with whites and Asians. IMHO this is a greater factor than quality of schools and teachers.
And I cannot remember exactly what sources influenced my opinion but I think they were largely black.

I tried a Wl to focus other people's thought on whether I was right or wrong. But the why's and how's have been too much for me.




Lets back into possible POD. Education in the USA is a local and state matter. Southern states are never going to agree to educate blacks after reconstruction ends. So you need at a minimum large black areas of multiple counties in state non-hostile to blacks or an all black state. So POD.

1) Send them all to Africa and Educate them. Four million blacks moved to a large area of Africa and setup in a stable state has huge impacts on world history (A true black medium size power) and also greatly slows USA expansion (lots of lost labor plus huge setup costs). This was actually considered, so is by far the most likely. (Not likely, but most likely). So for example, just think about what a Greater Angola including the mouth of the Congo and nothern Nambia looks like with spare civil war weapons. Mothra size butterflies.

Actually that ISN'T LIKELY. It is far too expensive. The plan was mainly political cover for the emancipation proclamation. The fact is that it is nearly ASB for that to happen. A Black state in the Dakotas or somewhere is far more likely. If you do that they can pay their own way instead of being shipped out at government expense. An even better departure would be in the 1960s. Have the civil rights movement stress excellence in school and nonviolent behavior as much as desegregation and you have a much better chance. Ship them off to Africa and you wind up with a larger version of Liberia. This is a big step backwards not forwards for American Blacks.
 
IMHO blacks in the USA as a group do much worse in school than whites and Asians. IMHO comparative parental indifference is the main cause of this.


Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha. No.

Black parents are just as involved in their child's education as white and Asian parents {of course, outliers exist, as outliers exist everywhere}. There's a host of reasons why blacks as a group are less well off than whites {and I question whether or not Asians are better off income wise, I'll need stats on that}, but parental indifference is definitely absolutely positively not one of them.

There are so many reasons actually that I really wonder if a single POD can solve it. Really, blacks started out from the bottom of the social strata and pretty much were kept there for a very very long time. If you want to see major improvements in black education, then the massive disadvantages forced onto blacks would have to be removed. How to plausibly do that with a POD, I have no clue.
 
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