US territory if Brittan won the war.

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If England won the revolutionary war and the colonists lost, I'd assume that the 13 colonies would probably be granted independence sometime in the 1900s-like with what happened with India and Hong Kong. That seems most likely to me. But here's the main confusing thought that I had on this topic.

How big do you think the US would have expanded if it was just a colony of England? Would we gain the western and midwestern states, or would those just be taken over by Canada or Mexico? I dont think England would go to war with Mexico over a few states-so California, Arizona, Utah, a lot of Colorado, etc, would still probably be in Mexico. But what about the other states that Spain didnt control, but werent a part of the 13 colonies?
 
If the colonists lost the war there'd be another one in about 15-20 years max. Basically we'd keep trying until we finally won.
 
If the colonists lost the war there'd be another one in about 15-20 years max. Basically we'd keep trying until we finally won.

Depends how it ended and what the treatment of the colonies was like afterwards surely? If it ended quickly enough, and the crown made some generous concessions in the years following the revolt then it doesn't seem quite so clear cut.

The war didn't begin over independence.
 
Depends how it ended and what the treatment of the colonies was like afterwards surely? If it ended quickly enough, and the crown made some generous concessions in the years following the revolt then it doesn't seem quite so clear cut.

The war didn't begin over independence.

True but Britain during the period(or any really) wasn't know for being nice to defeated rebellions.
 
It would actually be very interesting if the British opt for reconciliation after a failed revolutionary war. If they don't though, they won't keep the colonies.
 
True but Britain during the period(or any really) wasn't know for being nice to defeated rebellions.

Well that's not entirely true. 1837 rebellions in Canada led to changes in the governing of BNA. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebellions_of_1837 though one might argue that the dealing of those revolts was based on prior experience with the 13 colonies.

If the whigs had come into power sometime after an early ended revolt (in 1775 or so), then they would likely have seen the wisdom in reforming the running of the colonies. It must be remembered that the whigs had been the dominant force in parliament for about 50 years until 1760 or so, and that the 'Patriots' had originally called themselves whigs. Tory government was somewhat of an aberration which unfortunately coincided with the absorption of Quebec and therefore no outside threat for the colonists to fear. (An ideal environment for sedition)

Prior to the Declaration of Independence and more damningly French assistance the colonists would likely have been relatively lightly punished - ringleaders executed etc. There would no doubt eventually have been reforms as a means to avoid further insurrection, probably when the winds changed in Westminster. After the DoI and French help the peace would have been far harsher, but then that would be expected as the treason was far greater.
 
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