US Rail System Transportation?

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Modern Imperialism, Apr 30, 2019.

  1. SsgtC Ready to Call it a Day

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    I'm going to quote what I wrote in another thread for why claiming HSR as a national defense asset doesn't really work:

     
  2. WaterproofPotatoes #TeamMahan

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    Another big problem with HSR in the USA: The "too short to fly, too long to drive" distance gets stretched considerably if you need a car at the other end of your journey- DFW to Houston, for instance.
     
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  3. Johnrankins Well-Known Member

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    Spain is small country.
     
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  4. Dan1988 Vamos abrir a porta da esperança!

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    Does not matter. Spain started off with virtually no HSR track before Barça '92 and now vies for the No.# 2 slot behind China. Size and geography do not matter and even an existing conventional rail network (as Sweden and Italy have demonstrated, among many others) can be beneficial. And in the latter case, any improvements made to facilitate HSR will also be beneficial to other trains on the same lines, whether passenger or freight, and whether intercity or intracity.
     
  5. marathag Well-Known Member with a target on his back

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    Spain is almost the size of Texas, but with near twice as many people.

    HSR outside of of the Dallas/Fort Worth area would be pure money wasted
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    [​IMG] San Antonio to D/FW is 45min flight time, 15-30min for the rest.
    Flights to Dallas, Texas (DFW) - TripAdvisor (440km)
    https://www.tripadvisor.com › United States › Texas (TX) › Dallas
    $58.00 to $114.00

    https://rail.ninja/route/madrid-to-barcelona 500km
    $111 to $154, but 2 hrs 45 min for the AVE Bullet Train.

    Cost more, and around 1.5-2 hours longer.

    Bullet Train service to San Antonio would fail, hard.
     
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  6. Johnrankins Well-Known Member

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    Again is it worth the cost in the US? The answer seems no. I don't know what problems you are trying to solve that wouldn't be cheaper by simply upgrading metro mass transit. You are going trillions of dollars to solve what problem exactly?
     
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  7. phx1138 Bocagiste troll

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    That argument undermines the reasoning for highways even more than for rail, yet the IHS was put up as a defense project.

    Also, in the '50s, I don't recall an airlift capacity for M26s or M48s.
     
  8. SsgtC Ready to Call it a Day

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    And you're not moving tanks by HSR. Those are handled just fine by existing rail. The IHS was proposed as a defense asset because it goes everywhere. You can load armor, men and supplies onto trucks and buses and send them literally everywhere. You can't do that with rail. Especially not with high speed rail.
     
  9. Johnrankins Well-Known Member

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    @phx1138 That may indeed be the problem. You might want to start another one that doesn't focus just on Canada. Canada is a nice enough country but there are about 10 Americans for every Canadian. I would imagine it is also be something that might be of interest to other low population density countries like Australia as well as the US/Canada.
     
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  10. TimothyC Arnie Holmes

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    You could, but it would require an investment in the systems needed to do so, per: AD-A237 044

    "Key Issues in the Application of Conventional High Speed Railroad Technologies to Mobilization"

    Donald E. Plotkin

    https://apps.dtic.mil/docs/citations/ADA237044
     
  11. DougM Well-Known Member

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    Ok you COULD ship tanks and such on a HSR system but that means you are building special equipment to carry this. Not the least of which is a box car that can open to take a tank then close and hold up to 280mph winds. (180mph train +80mph gust of wind plus safety margin)
    This equipment is going to be massively expensive and basically never used. Also the weight is going to really slow the train down. Like pulling a travel trailer with a corvette.

    So for all intents and purposes you can’t haul a tank on a HSR
     
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