'US purchases Rupert's Land' Timeline (rough outline)

I hope this is the right place to post this. I recently made a map where the US purchases Rupert's Land and I have written a rough timeline starting with that as the POD. It's very rough and un-finished, but I'm posting it here to get some feedback on how plausible it is etc.

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1865: The Union wins the American Civil War.

1867: The United States purchases Rupert’s Land from the Hudson’s Bay Company for $8 million.

1869: The Suez Canal is opened, funded by British and French investors;
The British government officially splits British North America into Ursalia in the west and Canada in the east. Newfoundland and Prince Edward Island remain as separate colonies.

1871: German and Italian unification.

1872: The United States purchases Alaska from Russia for $6.8 million, despite competing British interest. The US is successful due to the Russian reluctance to sell to Britain, its imperial rival in Turkestan.

1878: Britain declares war on the United States after it signs an agreement for the annexation of Prince Edward Island. British, Canadian and Ursalian troops invade the US, however they are forced to retreat and the Americans seize Vancouver and Halifax. However, the British to manage to impose and naval blockade of some US ports.

1880: The Treaty of Montreal officially ends the Anglo-American War, with the United States gaining all British possessions in the Americas, except Ursalia and Canada.

1884: The Conference of Brussels effectively divides Africa between the European colonial powers. France is given northwest Africa the Suez Canal zone, the Sudan, the Sahel, northern Congo and Madagascar. Britain gets Egypt, Nigeria, the Gold Coast, the Cape and part of east Africa. Germany controls southwest Africa, the remainder of east Africa and Cameroon. The rest of the continent goes to Portugal, Spain, Belgium and Italy. Abyssinia and Liberia are the only remaining independent countries.

1913: The Second Balkan War escalates into a major, Europe-wide conflict as the Triple Alliance (Austria-Hungary, the United Kingdom and Germany) support Bulgaria and the Double Entente (France and Russia) support Serbia.

1915: The Russian army deserts, leading to the overthrowing of the Tsar and the provisional Russian government make peace with the Triple Alliance.

1916: France surrenders when the German army, now only fighting on one front reaches Paris.

1917: The Treaties of Paris end the Great War, with France ceding Lorraine to Germany and demilitarising its borders with Germany, Belgium and the Channel Coast. All French colonies, expect Algeria are split between Germany, Britain and Italy (which joined the Alliance in 1916). In the east, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland and Ukraine are created as German puppets from former Russian territory.

1918: Austria-Hungary reorganises itself as the United Monarchies of Greater Austria and Hungary (UMGAH; informally Austria-Hungary continues to be used), giving autonomy to Bohemia, Slovakia, Croatia and Transylvania.

1920s: The United States picks up some of the trade lost by the European powers during the Great War and becomes a major economic power, gaining influence over the central American republics, due to it’s possession of Belize and the Panama Canal Zone. The Europeans continue to exploit their African and Asian colonies; however they face increased pressure from nationalists.

1925: A major Arab revolt breaks out in the Ottoman Empire, which spreads to European colonies in north Africa.

1928: The American economy enters a depression, which soon affects the global economy.

1930: The Ottoman Empire collapses as the global depression continues and the Sultan is unable to revive the Empire’s ailing economy.

1931: France’s reparations payments are cancelled as it is unable to pay. The Front National Français (FNF), a far-right group come to power in France. Austria-Hungary is plagued by nationalist demonstrations.

1932: Germany sends troops into Austria-Hungary to assist the Austro-Hungarian government in putting down the rebellions. France uses this opportunity to remilitarise its borderlands. The Conference of Nations, which was set up as an international peacekeeping organisation by the Paris Treaties, fails to act. Britain is distracted by putting down the Arab revolts in Egypt and Sudan and in trying to gain influence over the former Ottoman territories.

1933: The conflicts in Austria-Hungary, the Arab world and France/Germany all escalate as the increased defence spending revives the global economy.

1935: The major powers meet in Munich to try to bring an end to the Great Nationalist War.

1936: The Treaty of Zurich ends the Great Nationalist War, with the Franco-German border being restored to its 1914 line, the establishment of independent Czech, Slovak, Slovene, Hungarian, Serbo-Croat, Austrian, Turk and Arab states in former Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian territories.

1938: Japan invades China and sets up the puppet state of Manchukuo.

1940: Japan has occupied most of the Chinese coast and is starting to threaten European colonies in southeast Asia. By the summer, many have declared war on Japan.

1942: Japan is defeated by a European and Chinese coalition. The Treaty of Harbin limits the Emperor’s power and establishes Korea as an independent state.
 
I hope this is the right place to post this. I recently made a map where the US purchases Rupert's Land and I have written a rough timeline starting with that as the POD. It's very rough and un-finished, but I'm posting it here to get some feedback on how plausible it is etc.


1878: Britain declares war on the United States after it signs an agreement for the annexation of Prince Edward Island. British, Canadian and Ursalian troops invade the US, however they are forced to retreat and the Americans seize Vancouver and Halifax. However, the British to manage to impose and naval blockade of some US ports.

Wait, what? Who's the US signing an agreement with? :confused:
 
The US signs an agreement with colonial government in Prince Edward Island, some of whom are dissatified by British rule, and have been aproached by the US, offering annexation.
 

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This is the wrong forum but it's ok.

I don't think the US could purchase Rupert's Land. The British would still be the ones who'd have the final say and that say would be NO.

Where's you get the name Ursalia? Why not just leave it British Columbia?
 
Run of the mill Ameriwank.
1880: The Treaty of Montreal officially ends the Anglo-American War, with the United States gaining all British possessions in the Americas, except Ursalia and Canada.
Why? If anthing the result should be reversed: The yanks have been facing a grossly superior navy, hence the other british pocessions in the Americas are well and truely out of reach and hence unlikely to end up subject to any such treaty.
 
1878: Britain declares war on the United States after it signs an agreement for the annexation of Prince Edward Island. British, Canadian and Ursalian troops invade the US, however they are forced to retreat and the Americans seize Vancouver and Halifax. However, the British to manage to impose and naval blockade of some US ports.

1880: The Treaty of Montreal officially ends the Anglo-American War, with the United States gaining all British possessions in the Americas, except Ursalia and Canada.

Colonies don't have that sort of leeway in decided foreign policy and the Americans would be stupid or wanting a fight by agreeing to annex Prince Edward Island. Interesting, but highly unlikely timeline.
 
1878: Britain declares war on the United States after it signs an agreement for the annexation of Prince Edward Island. British, Canadian and Ursalian troops invade the US, however they are forced to retreat and the Americans seize Vancouver and Halifax. However, the British to manage to impose and naval blockade of some US ports.

Move this forward a year or two and we have Ameriwank reversed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_railroad_strike_of_1877
http://home.earthlink.net/~trolleyfan/image_24.html

It might make more sense to have it be a spillover from one of the Indian Wars, maybe chasing Crazy Horse or something of the sort. I really doubt the USA would go looking for a fight only a decade after the Civil War, so an accidental war may work better.

Realistically, how would UK and US decide who had what after the war? It wouldn't be enough to have 'seized' it, i'm sure.
 
America can't buy Rupertsland, because the HBC can't sell it. Thge HBC sale to Canada in OTL is largely a farce and is a moot point. The treaties between the 1870s -1890's wer far more important, but still ultimately moot, as the British already had more or less claimed it.
 
The HB Company could have been sold to the US, but selling the land would have taken a treaty between the US & UK, which is doubtful to happen w/o a major power shift between the 2 nations and the position of British North America, such as Dominion not happening for some reason.

I'm contemplating such a deal in my CoHE TL, but even w/the alternate reality I've created in North America & Great Britain, that such a sale is possible/realistic.

I look forward to seeing how you make it happen. A US gaining Quebec or Ontario + southern Manitoba somehow early in the 19th Century may help. Good luck.
 
As people have already said, the purchase of Rupert's land was a total farce. With the civil war over and America showing her muscles, there is no way the British Government would sell Rupert's land to the USA and put her North American colonies at risk.

The HBC only sold the land to Canada because Britain told them to, and after the civil war, Britain won't allow a sale to the Union.

Canada would also protest, and at this point, Britain would still favour Canada.

What is Ursalia? The other proposed name for British Columbia was Cascadia I believe, or another Gaelic name I can't come up with right now. EDIT: oops, I believe it was New Caledonia.

Also of all the potential provinces to join the USA, PEI is the least likely. It is surrounded by Canada, and despite it's initial OTL reluctance, joined up a few years later anyway. There is simply no benefit for them to join the states.

Also, if for some reason America did buy Rupert's land, that would usually imply great relations, which is good for both parties. So why would A)Uncle Sam be interested in a backwater colony (sorry PEI:(:eek: I don't think of you that way) and B) provoke Britain, the world's pre eminent Great Power, over it.

In other ways, despite my dislike of the Anglo-American War and the near total implausibility of the Rupert's land sale, I do like how the rest of the world turned out.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing to stop an ATL USA from buying the HBC lands, you just need a POD place farther back. A purchase of Rupert's land is not so easy as the carbon copy Louisiana purchase you have in the TL.

For starters, you need the States and Britain on great terms for their to be enough of a lobby in Parliament for the sale to be allowed and prevent America looking like the well armed menace it came out as at the end of the civil war.

Hoping to see a revised version soon.
 
Ursalia clearly has something to do with bears - probably meaning 'Land of Bears'. Tho didn't HBC actually acquire the land more for beaver and otter pelts? Beavera or Beaveria could be used - at least then there would be another meaning to the phrase 'Nice Beaver!'
 
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I thought that as BC and the remainder of the NWT were now separate from the rest of BNA it needed a new name, and Ursalia just sort of came to me. I think it could refer to the Great Bear Lake/River and polar bears as well as brown bears etc., so would include the NWT more than Cascadia or Pacifica would. Beaveria (would it rhyme with Bavaria?) would also be a good name.

I'll try and find a better, earlier POD, but it the mean time, what do you think of the later parts of the timeline?
 
I thought that as BC and the remainder of the NWT were now separate from the rest of BNA it needed a new name, and Ursalia just sort of came to me. I think it could refer to the Great Bear Lake/River and polar bears as well as brown bears etc., so would include the NWT more than Cascadia or Pacifica would. Beaveria (would it rhyme with Bavaria?) would also be a good name.

I'll try and find a better, earlier POD, but it the mean time, what do you think of the later parts of the timeline?

They were part of BNA, but not part of Rupert's Land. Ursalia sounds good to me to. I'm using the name Borealia for OTL western Canada.

The later parts of your TL look plausable, but they may change as you change the world more w/an earlier POD. If you build a world in which the nation that evolves where the USA is in OTL then there will not be one nation from sea to sea (Ursalia/Canada) to its north.
 
I thought that as BC and the remainder of the NWT were now separate from the rest of BNA it needed a new name, and Ursalia just sort of came to me. I think it could refer to the Great Bear Lake/River and polar bears as well as brown bears etc., so would include the NWT more than Cascadia or Pacifica would. Beaveria (would it rhyme with Bavaria?) would also be a good name.

I'll try and find a better, earlier POD, but it the mean time, what do you think of the later parts of the timeline?

Like I wrote earlier, a real proposed name was New Caledonia, though Ursalia doesn't sound too bad. Really, Ursalia is original enough for me to say go for it.

On the other hand, Beavaria does sound like Bavaria, and would sit well with Australia getting confused with Austria and the like.:rolleyes:
 
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