And in the meantime, the Germans and Americans will be sniping at each other in the Solar System....wait a minute, this might turn into another version of The Stone Dogs, only with the good guys winning in the end.....
US politics in a Nazis Win TL
- Thread starter Max Sinister
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Some other postwar ideas:
-As the National Party solidifies power in South Africa, the Jews of that nation flee to Australia, while the Jews of Persia and the Middle East begin to flee to India. The Jews of the Middle East are soon joined by Arab refugees from the Appeasment British and the Germans. The Iraqi Monarchy, soon to be joined by the Shah, flees to India as well.
-As the National Party solidifies power in South Africa, the Jews of that nation flee to Australia, while the Jews of Persia and the Middle East begin to flee to India. The Jews of the Middle East are soon joined by Arab refugees from the Appeasment British and the Germans. The Iraqi Monarchy, soon to be joined by the Shah, flees to India as well.
You might see an eventual merging of the US, Canada and the Caribbean Islands.
What would happen to the Guyanas in this scenario?
What would happen to the Guyanas in this scenario?
I'm not sure. Either the USA or Brazil moves to take them over....or they become the centers of Free Holland and Free France.
Guyanas would go to US, not Brazil. Same with most British Western Hemisphere possessions.
Paul, a few suggestions for the TL. For one thing, the Soviet govt. would be moved to Kuybyshev, not Stalingrad, as that's where the govt. was already evacuating to in OTL. And second, I'd say a great way for Hitler to insure the US doesn't attack him anyway is to declare war on Japan for their "cowardly attack on our proud Aryan brothers" and offer aid to the US.
Paul, a few suggestions for the TL. For one thing, the Soviet govt. would be moved to Kuybyshev, not Stalingrad, as that's where the govt. was already evacuating to in OTL. And second, I'd say a great way for Hitler to insure the US doesn't attack him anyway is to declare war on Japan for their "cowardly attack on our proud Aryan brothers" and offer aid to the US.
Just how allied/subordinate to Germany will Britain be in TTL?
We've got all these people fleeing Britain to Canada and the US, George VII (right?) being restored, etc. How exactly are the Germans going to defeat Britain so comprehensively that they can dictate British domestic policy?
I don't think Britain will surrender completely just because the Germans get into the Middle East, and OTL's Sea Lion isn't going to work.
We've got all these people fleeing Britain to Canada and the US, George VII (right?) being restored, etc. How exactly are the Germans going to defeat Britain so comprehensively that they can dictate British domestic policy?
I don't think Britain will surrender completely just because the Germans get into the Middle East, and OTL's Sea Lion isn't going to work.
Another idea (a glimpse of the future).
From Encyclopedia Americana-12th Edition (1975)
Orwell, George: George Orwell was the pen name of Eric Arthur Blair, who was born on June 25, 1903 in Motihari, Bengal (modern Bihar) in India, back during the Old British Empire. Blair, at the age of six, was sent to a small Anglican parish in Henley-on-Thames, and from there, went on to study at St. Cyprian's School in Eastborne, Sussex, which was regarded as one of the finest preparatory schools in the country.
From there, Blair went on to study at Wellington and Eton College on a scholarship (both schools would later be torched in the massive student anti-war protests that would erupt during the depths of the Powell dictatorship). At Eton, he would make lifelong friendships with British intellectuals, such as Cyril Connolly (who would later join Blair in exile after Britain's peace accord with Nazi Germany).
After Eton, with no hopes of a scholarship, Blair returned to the Raj, and joined the Indian Imperial Police in Burma in 1922. This experience led him to hate imperialism, and would serve as the goundwork for his novel Burmese Days (1934), along with his essays A Hanging (1931), and Shooting an Elephant (1936)
Hoping to work as a freelance writer, Blair moved to Paris in 1928 to live with his aunt. His lack of success led to his first book: Down and Out in Paris and London (1933).
Broke and ill, he moved back to England in 1929, and began to work on a project about the underclass. Blair, by 1932, was working breifly as a school teacher in Hayes, Middlesex.
Blair adapted the pename "George Orwell" from both his fondness for the plainess of the name "Goerge," and from his additional fondness for the River Orwell in Suffolk. Blair's teaching experience led to the publishing of A Clergyman's Doughter (1935).
With the eruption of the Spanish Civil War in 1936, Blair set out to fight with the Republicans against Franco's Facistic Nationalists. This war marked the beginnings of his hatred of Joseph Stalin and Soviet totalitarianism, as he whitnessed just what happened to the local communists who didn't follow Moscow's line. Suffering from a throat wound, Orwell wrote of his war experiences in Homage to Catelonia (1936).
In 1941, Orwell took a job at the BBC. Unfortunately, this came as the Germans began their conquest of the Soviet Union, and Orwell's job would not last long. In 1942, with Germany's domination of European Russia assured, Britain was left alone yet again. As the Germans began to choke off British shipping, and smash through the British 8th Army in Egypt, the "Peace Faction" in Parliament (which had been growing in number since the fall of the Soviet Union, managed to get through a vote of no confidence in the government of Winston Churchill. Lord Halifax became Prime Minister, and negotiated the Treaty of St. Peter Port on June 1, 1943. This entire episode left Orwell extremely embittered. "God damn the United Kingdom to Hell and gone!" was what he was reputed to have said when he received news of the treaty.
As per the treaty, King George VI was forced to abdicate, and former King Edward VIII was installed in his place. The House of Windsor was forced to flee to Canada, along with Winston Churchill, Anthony Eden, and various other government officials. Orwell left for Canada in 1943, settling in Toronto, along with many other exiled British intellectuals and leftists. Orwell. Once in Toronto, Orwell wrote Animal Farm (1943), a bitter attack on the failed regeime of Joseph Stalin.
Living for the rest of his life in Toronto, Orwell wrote his final novel 1984 in 1947, in extremely poor health. The novel told of a struggle between the two superstates of Oceania ( a satire on what many exiled Britons imagined would beccome a super-USA) and Eurasia (Nazi Germany). It would be Orwell's last novel. He died on January 21, 1949, and was buried in a plain grave in Toronto. His adopted son, Richard Horatio Blair, would go on to become an agent for the Canadian Ministery of Agriculture, and has, to this day, expressed no interest in writing.
Orwell's words are still with us today. From the American high schoolers who read Animal Farm and 1984 as a prerequisite for passing high school english, to the anti-war demonstrators who chant the slogan War is Peace across an entire continent.
From Encyclopedia Americana-12th Edition (1975)
Orwell, George: George Orwell was the pen name of Eric Arthur Blair, who was born on June 25, 1903 in Motihari, Bengal (modern Bihar) in India, back during the Old British Empire. Blair, at the age of six, was sent to a small Anglican parish in Henley-on-Thames, and from there, went on to study at St. Cyprian's School in Eastborne, Sussex, which was regarded as one of the finest preparatory schools in the country.
From there, Blair went on to study at Wellington and Eton College on a scholarship (both schools would later be torched in the massive student anti-war protests that would erupt during the depths of the Powell dictatorship). At Eton, he would make lifelong friendships with British intellectuals, such as Cyril Connolly (who would later join Blair in exile after Britain's peace accord with Nazi Germany).
After Eton, with no hopes of a scholarship, Blair returned to the Raj, and joined the Indian Imperial Police in Burma in 1922. This experience led him to hate imperialism, and would serve as the goundwork for his novel Burmese Days (1934), along with his essays A Hanging (1931), and Shooting an Elephant (1936)
Hoping to work as a freelance writer, Blair moved to Paris in 1928 to live with his aunt. His lack of success led to his first book: Down and Out in Paris and London (1933).
Broke and ill, he moved back to England in 1929, and began to work on a project about the underclass. Blair, by 1932, was working breifly as a school teacher in Hayes, Middlesex.
Blair adapted the pename "George Orwell" from both his fondness for the plainess of the name "Goerge," and from his additional fondness for the River Orwell in Suffolk. Blair's teaching experience led to the publishing of A Clergyman's Doughter (1935).
With the eruption of the Spanish Civil War in 1936, Blair set out to fight with the Republicans against Franco's Facistic Nationalists. This war marked the beginnings of his hatred of Joseph Stalin and Soviet totalitarianism, as he whitnessed just what happened to the local communists who didn't follow Moscow's line. Suffering from a throat wound, Orwell wrote of his war experiences in Homage to Catelonia (1936).
In 1941, Orwell took a job at the BBC. Unfortunately, this came as the Germans began their conquest of the Soviet Union, and Orwell's job would not last long. In 1942, with Germany's domination of European Russia assured, Britain was left alone yet again. As the Germans began to choke off British shipping, and smash through the British 8th Army in Egypt, the "Peace Faction" in Parliament (which had been growing in number since the fall of the Soviet Union, managed to get through a vote of no confidence in the government of Winston Churchill. Lord Halifax became Prime Minister, and negotiated the Treaty of St. Peter Port on June 1, 1943. This entire episode left Orwell extremely embittered. "God damn the United Kingdom to Hell and gone!" was what he was reputed to have said when he received news of the treaty.
As per the treaty, King George VI was forced to abdicate, and former King Edward VIII was installed in his place. The House of Windsor was forced to flee to Canada, along with Winston Churchill, Anthony Eden, and various other government officials. Orwell left for Canada in 1943, settling in Toronto, along with many other exiled British intellectuals and leftists. Orwell. Once in Toronto, Orwell wrote Animal Farm (1943), a bitter attack on the failed regeime of Joseph Stalin.
Living for the rest of his life in Toronto, Orwell wrote his final novel 1984 in 1947, in extremely poor health. The novel told of a struggle between the two superstates of Oceania ( a satire on what many exiled Britons imagined would beccome a super-USA) and Eurasia (Nazi Germany). It would be Orwell's last novel. He died on January 21, 1949, and was buried in a plain grave in Toronto. His adopted son, Richard Horatio Blair, would go on to become an agent for the Canadian Ministery of Agriculture, and has, to this day, expressed no interest in writing.
Orwell's words are still with us today. From the American high schoolers who read Animal Farm and 1984 as a prerequisite for passing high school english, to the anti-war demonstrators who chant the slogan War is Peace across an entire continent.
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Another postwar idea:
The bulk of the Royal Navy and British Merchant Marine remains loyal to King George, and defects to Canada, the United States, and Australia.
The bulk of the Royal Navy and British Merchant Marine remains loyal to King George, and defects to Canada, the United States, and Australia.
The UN in 1975:
Permanent Seats
United States of America
Republic of Canada
Federation of Australia
Federation of India
Republic of China
Republic of Brazil
Security Council (rotating every two years)
Republic of the Philippines
Republic of Argentina
Republic of Burma
Kingdom of Nepal
Republic of Iceland
Republic of Venezuela
Kingdom of Japan
Federation of Indochina
Republic of East Timor**
Republic of Honduras
Other members*:
Republic of Cuba
Republic of Mongolia
Republic of Korea
Republic of Ireland
Republic of Kenya
Republic of Sierra Leone**
Republic of Nigeria
Republic of Madagascar**
Republic of the Maldives**
Republic of Uruguay
Republic of El Salvador
Kingdom of Afghanistan
Republic of Guatemala
Republic of Nicaragua
Republic of New Zealand
Republic of Indonesia
Republic of Liberia
Republic of Paraguay
Republic of Chile
Republic of Sri Lanka
Republic of Peru
Republic of Mexico
Republic of Haiti
Republic of Costa Rica
Federation of Malaysia
Republic of Panama
Republic of Singapore
Kingdom of Bhutan
Kingdom of Tonga
Republic of New Guinea
Dominican Republic
Republic of Fiji**
Kingdom of Thailand
Republic of Jamaica
Kingdom of Tibet
Republic of the Bahamas
Republic of Kiribati
Republic of Belize
The Republic of Bolivia
Republic of Colombia
Republic of Ecuador
Republic of Ghana**
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
*It should be noted that Free France, Free Holland, Free Belgium, the Free United Kingdom, Free Greece, Fee Yugoslavia, Free Czechoslovakia, Free Luxembourg, Free Denmark, Free Norway, and Free Poland all send representatives to the UN, and maintain their Governments-in-Exile in New York.
**Nation that has joined the UN since 1960. East Timor, after a period of economic development, joined in 1965. The Maldives followed that same year. Madagascar revolted against the Vichy French in 1968, leading to a UN mission to seize the island. Diego Garcia is a big US AFB. The CIA has used the island to forward munitions, arms, and supplies to rebels all over the African continent and Middle East. The Germans spend much of the affair putting down a slave uprising that broke out in German East Africa. Reuinion, Comoros, the Seycelles, and Mauritius were occupied by World Commonwealth forces. This incident almost brought about World War III between the two blocs.
The past 15 years has been a disasterous time for the Appeasment British-they've lost Sierra Leone and Ghana (both of whom have also joined the World Commonwealth), and riots/brawls between anti-war demonstrators and members of the BUF (British Union of Facists) has torn the nation apart. The Brotherhood of National Socialism continues to face harsh resistance, which is being driven more and more underground. Since 1960, over 300,000 Germans have been killed fighting on the Eastern Front in the guerilla war against Russian partisans in the Urals. Colonization has proven very hard to accomplish, due to infertile soils and constant attack. The bodies of German soldiers are shipped home on sealed trains at night. However, as of 1975, a nascent anti-war movement has begun. The White Rose resistance movement (begun by Sophie Schall in 1943 before her capture and execution in 1944) is active yet again. Those who have managed to tune into Voice of America, or get a hold of bootleg American movies, are the most active in the resistance.
The Maldives, Fiji, Kiribati, and Tonga are all also part of the World Commonwealth.
The UN is much more economically unified than in 1960; the World Trade Organization was founded in 1967 to gradually reduce trade barriers (with the end goal of a full free trade zone between members), and the World Bank was founded to integrate differing banking systems to streamline investment and commerce. There is some talk about an eventual unified currency, but that's being left up to future generations.
The decade has seen a growing concern for the environment (especially in the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, China, and India), especially amongst young people.
The different nations of the UN have different policies regarding drugs. Colombia has legalized it, to the consternation of its neighbors. In the USA, it's an issue largely left to the states; California, New York, the Rocky Mountain West (excluding Utah) and Alaska have all legalized the less-than lethal drugs. Ohio, Texas, along with the South and Plaines states have criminalized drug usage. Canada and New Zealand have legalized some drug usage. Australia is debating decriminalzation.
Space exploration has become much more advanced than in OTL. The first permanent lunar outposts from both the UN/World Commonwealth and the Brotherhood of National Socialism went up in 1973 and 1974 respecivally. Both sides have erected space stations, such as the UN/WC's Skylabs and the Brotherhood's Von Braun and Heisenburg modules.
The Arpanet (the beginnings of the Internet) has made its first appearence at the Pentagon.
The current President of the USA is Nelson Rockefeller.
The USA is home to the largest number of Jews in the world (at 7 million), followed by Canada (950,000), India (600,000), and Australia (300,000). There is a move among the Jewish population (especially amongst the Orthodox) to replenish the numbers lost to the Brotherhood of National Socialism. There are calls by Reform Jews to reform the process that is needed to become a Jew, which in turn has faced sharp resistance from the Orthodox, Hasidic, and Conservative communities.
Some well known movies since 1960:
The Birds (1963): This surreal escapade about our fine feathered friends becoming muderous monsters is famous as a dark form of escapism. Considered one of Alfred Hitchcock's ( a resident of Tortonto) finest films.
Dr. Strangelove-Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964): This dystopian classic by Stanley Kubrick, starring Peter Sellers (the resident playboy of Toronto) details the beginnings of a nuclear war between the USA and Germany over the fears that an insane German Field Marshall (Field Marshall Schtuppe) has over the Jews contaminating his "precious bodily fluids." This movie made also made a star out of James Earl Jones.
The Producers(1968): Mel Brooks's attempt a humor picture involving Adolf Hitler, which brought massive protests from the American Jewish community (even though Brooks himself was Jewish). The film details the attempt by two Jewish Broadway producers (Gene Wilder and Zero Mostel) to put on a flop so they can keep the rest of the invested money. So, they find a play written by a crazed former member of the American Nazi Party (Kenneth Mars), and find the worst director, and well, attempt at a flop. It would later become a cult classic. [NOTE: The American Nazi Party (ANP) was founded by WWII vet George Lincoln Rockwell. Formed after the Civil Rights Act of 1953, this group was ruthlessly crushed by the Federal Government, its members sent to prison on sedition charges. Rockwell comitted suicide in Alcatraz in 1958]
Planet of the Apes (1968): Based on the novel by French expat Pierre Boulle (now residing in Montreal), this post-apocylptic sci-fi classic has a large following, even in the Brotherhood nations. It's seen as a mockery of racial superiority. One of Charlton Heston's finest roles (Mr. Heston is currently serving his first term as a state senator in California).
2001-A Space Odyssy (1968): Based on the book written by British expat Arthur C. Clarke (now residing in Columbo, Sri Lanka), the film is about a futuristic race between the Brotherhood and the UN to Jupiter to be the first to encounter a mysterious alien artifact.
The Godfather (1972): A brilliant work by Francis Ford Coppola, and the defining role of Marlon Brando. Based on the novel by Mario Puzo, it details the struggle of an Siclian mobster as he struggles to make the ajustment and defend his empire in America after the Facists close out Europe.
Willy Wonka and the Chocalate Factory (1973): Starring Gene Wilder (considered his redemption from Mel Brooks's infamous comedy [see above]), this heart-warming film about a man, a boy, and a chocolate factory proved to be the very escape people were looking for to shut the constant Cold War out for just a little bit. Based on the popular children's book by British expat Roald Dahl (who currently resides in Toronto).
A Clockwork Orange (1974): This contoversial film made a star out of Malcolm McDowell, and is a new favorite amongst young people in both the UN/World Commonwealth member states and the Brotherhood's nations. Controversial in the free world due to its graphic sex and violence scenes, it is vigerously banned in the Brotherhood nations (but bootleg copies abound). It's about a psycopath and his gang in a facistic society (based heavily on Enoch Powell's Britain). Based on the book by British expat Anthony Burgess (now residing in Toronto).
Blazing Saddles (1974): Mel Brooks's redemption from the disasterous Producers. An uproarious comedy that became very popular, it brutally satirizes both past American racism and present political correctness (among other things).
It should be noted that there's a friendly competition between India's "Bollywood" film industry, the American productions of Hollywood, and the British expat community of Toronto. Directors such as Satyajit Ray are much more popular in the USA than in OTL.
Permanent Seats
United States of America
Republic of Canada
Federation of Australia
Federation of India
Republic of China
Republic of Brazil
Security Council (rotating every two years)
Republic of the Philippines
Republic of Argentina
Republic of Burma
Kingdom of Nepal
Republic of Iceland
Republic of Venezuela
Kingdom of Japan
Federation of Indochina
Republic of East Timor**
Republic of Honduras
Other members*:
Republic of Cuba
Republic of Mongolia
Republic of Korea
Republic of Ireland
Republic of Kenya
Republic of Sierra Leone**
Republic of Nigeria
Republic of Madagascar**
Republic of the Maldives**
Republic of Uruguay
Republic of El Salvador
Kingdom of Afghanistan
Republic of Guatemala
Republic of Nicaragua
Republic of New Zealand
Republic of Indonesia
Republic of Liberia
Republic of Paraguay
Republic of Chile
Republic of Sri Lanka
Republic of Peru
Republic of Mexico
Republic of Haiti
Republic of Costa Rica
Federation of Malaysia
Republic of Panama
Republic of Singapore
Kingdom of Bhutan
Kingdom of Tonga
Republic of New Guinea
Dominican Republic
Republic of Fiji**
Kingdom of Thailand
Republic of Jamaica
Kingdom of Tibet
Republic of the Bahamas
Republic of Kiribati
Republic of Belize
The Republic of Bolivia
Republic of Colombia
Republic of Ecuador
Republic of Ghana**
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
*It should be noted that Free France, Free Holland, Free Belgium, the Free United Kingdom, Free Greece, Fee Yugoslavia, Free Czechoslovakia, Free Luxembourg, Free Denmark, Free Norway, and Free Poland all send representatives to the UN, and maintain their Governments-in-Exile in New York.
**Nation that has joined the UN since 1960. East Timor, after a period of economic development, joined in 1965. The Maldives followed that same year. Madagascar revolted against the Vichy French in 1968, leading to a UN mission to seize the island. Diego Garcia is a big US AFB. The CIA has used the island to forward munitions, arms, and supplies to rebels all over the African continent and Middle East. The Germans spend much of the affair putting down a slave uprising that broke out in German East Africa. Reuinion, Comoros, the Seycelles, and Mauritius were occupied by World Commonwealth forces. This incident almost brought about World War III between the two blocs.
The past 15 years has been a disasterous time for the Appeasment British-they've lost Sierra Leone and Ghana (both of whom have also joined the World Commonwealth), and riots/brawls between anti-war demonstrators and members of the BUF (British Union of Facists) has torn the nation apart. The Brotherhood of National Socialism continues to face harsh resistance, which is being driven more and more underground. Since 1960, over 300,000 Germans have been killed fighting on the Eastern Front in the guerilla war against Russian partisans in the Urals. Colonization has proven very hard to accomplish, due to infertile soils and constant attack. The bodies of German soldiers are shipped home on sealed trains at night. However, as of 1975, a nascent anti-war movement has begun. The White Rose resistance movement (begun by Sophie Schall in 1943 before her capture and execution in 1944) is active yet again. Those who have managed to tune into Voice of America, or get a hold of bootleg American movies, are the most active in the resistance.
The Maldives, Fiji, Kiribati, and Tonga are all also part of the World Commonwealth.
The UN is much more economically unified than in 1960; the World Trade Organization was founded in 1967 to gradually reduce trade barriers (with the end goal of a full free trade zone between members), and the World Bank was founded to integrate differing banking systems to streamline investment and commerce. There is some talk about an eventual unified currency, but that's being left up to future generations.
The decade has seen a growing concern for the environment (especially in the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, China, and India), especially amongst young people.
The different nations of the UN have different policies regarding drugs. Colombia has legalized it, to the consternation of its neighbors. In the USA, it's an issue largely left to the states; California, New York, the Rocky Mountain West (excluding Utah) and Alaska have all legalized the less-than lethal drugs. Ohio, Texas, along with the South and Plaines states have criminalized drug usage. Canada and New Zealand have legalized some drug usage. Australia is debating decriminalzation.
Space exploration has become much more advanced than in OTL. The first permanent lunar outposts from both the UN/World Commonwealth and the Brotherhood of National Socialism went up in 1973 and 1974 respecivally. Both sides have erected space stations, such as the UN/WC's Skylabs and the Brotherhood's Von Braun and Heisenburg modules.
The Arpanet (the beginnings of the Internet) has made its first appearence at the Pentagon.
The current President of the USA is Nelson Rockefeller.
The USA is home to the largest number of Jews in the world (at 7 million), followed by Canada (950,000), India (600,000), and Australia (300,000). There is a move among the Jewish population (especially amongst the Orthodox) to replenish the numbers lost to the Brotherhood of National Socialism. There are calls by Reform Jews to reform the process that is needed to become a Jew, which in turn has faced sharp resistance from the Orthodox, Hasidic, and Conservative communities.
Some well known movies since 1960:
The Birds (1963): This surreal escapade about our fine feathered friends becoming muderous monsters is famous as a dark form of escapism. Considered one of Alfred Hitchcock's ( a resident of Tortonto) finest films.
Dr. Strangelove-Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964): This dystopian classic by Stanley Kubrick, starring Peter Sellers (the resident playboy of Toronto) details the beginnings of a nuclear war between the USA and Germany over the fears that an insane German Field Marshall (Field Marshall Schtuppe) has over the Jews contaminating his "precious bodily fluids." This movie made also made a star out of James Earl Jones.
The Producers(1968): Mel Brooks's attempt a humor picture involving Adolf Hitler, which brought massive protests from the American Jewish community (even though Brooks himself was Jewish). The film details the attempt by two Jewish Broadway producers (Gene Wilder and Zero Mostel) to put on a flop so they can keep the rest of the invested money. So, they find a play written by a crazed former member of the American Nazi Party (Kenneth Mars), and find the worst director, and well, attempt at a flop. It would later become a cult classic. [NOTE: The American Nazi Party (ANP) was founded by WWII vet George Lincoln Rockwell. Formed after the Civil Rights Act of 1953, this group was ruthlessly crushed by the Federal Government, its members sent to prison on sedition charges. Rockwell comitted suicide in Alcatraz in 1958]
Planet of the Apes (1968): Based on the novel by French expat Pierre Boulle (now residing in Montreal), this post-apocylptic sci-fi classic has a large following, even in the Brotherhood nations. It's seen as a mockery of racial superiority. One of Charlton Heston's finest roles (Mr. Heston is currently serving his first term as a state senator in California).
2001-A Space Odyssy (1968): Based on the book written by British expat Arthur C. Clarke (now residing in Columbo, Sri Lanka), the film is about a futuristic race between the Brotherhood and the UN to Jupiter to be the first to encounter a mysterious alien artifact.
The Godfather (1972): A brilliant work by Francis Ford Coppola, and the defining role of Marlon Brando. Based on the novel by Mario Puzo, it details the struggle of an Siclian mobster as he struggles to make the ajustment and defend his empire in America after the Facists close out Europe.
Willy Wonka and the Chocalate Factory (1973): Starring Gene Wilder (considered his redemption from Mel Brooks's infamous comedy [see above]), this heart-warming film about a man, a boy, and a chocolate factory proved to be the very escape people were looking for to shut the constant Cold War out for just a little bit. Based on the popular children's book by British expat Roald Dahl (who currently resides in Toronto).
A Clockwork Orange (1974): This contoversial film made a star out of Malcolm McDowell, and is a new favorite amongst young people in both the UN/World Commonwealth member states and the Brotherhood's nations. Controversial in the free world due to its graphic sex and violence scenes, it is vigerously banned in the Brotherhood nations (but bootleg copies abound). It's about a psycopath and his gang in a facistic society (based heavily on Enoch Powell's Britain). Based on the book by British expat Anthony Burgess (now residing in Toronto).
Blazing Saddles (1974): Mel Brooks's redemption from the disasterous Producers. An uproarious comedy that became very popular, it brutally satirizes both past American racism and present political correctness (among other things).
It should be noted that there's a friendly competition between India's "Bollywood" film industry, the American productions of Hollywood, and the British expat community of Toronto. Directors such as Satyajit Ray are much more popular in the USA than in OTL.
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Max Sinister
Banned
Wow... seems like a good TL is developing here.
Just one suggestion: Unless the US decides to interfere, I expect that most of Africa, if not all, will be under control of the Nazis and their satellites. Unless this would strain their resources so much, that they give up this plan (which is a bit unlikely, nazis aren't like that - they want more, more, more...) Most of the land between the Sahara and Greater South Africa will become German Mittelafrika, except for the few places they let fascist Britain keep.
Just one suggestion: Unless the US decides to interfere, I expect that most of Africa, if not all, will be under control of the Nazis and their satellites. Unless this would strain their resources so much, that they give up this plan (which is a bit unlikely, nazis aren't like that - they want more, more, more...) Most of the land between the Sahara and Greater South Africa will become German Mittelafrika, except for the few places they let fascist Britain keep.
As far as I know, Germany has Rwanda, the former Belgian Congo, Cameroon, Namibia, Chad, Niger, and is assisting the Appeasement British with occupation duty in Egypt-Sudan.
I think I'll change the parts about Tangangyka.
I think I'll change the parts about Tangangyka.
That's pretty much what they've done. The Windsors reside in Ottawa. The majority of British expats have settled in Toronto (although many have gone to Vancouver, Victoria, and Calgary). Toronto has become a northern version of Greewich Village, since so many artists, intellectuals, and leftists settled there after the Exodus.
It should be noted that with the Middle East in the Brotherhood's corner, the move towards energy independence in the UN/WC has been much earlier.
They do have Tanzania, and although I didn't say it, they do have Gabon.
As the TL itself goes forward, I'll iron out the part I just wrote and repaste it.
As the TL itself goes forward, I'll iron out the part I just wrote and repaste it.