@Faeelin: I think you misunderstood my intentions their. What I meant was this: Nazi-Germany would have to develop nuclear weapons and a sufficient delivery system to deter the US from attacking some day, say in the early fifties. This will not work without having a well developed scientific basis in key technologies. And this basis (even though once it was there) was eroding quickly. Without at least losening their "Jewish Scinence" doctrine this will not happen or too late for that matter.
To have a cold war Nazi-Germany in 2008 it has to have a decent scientific basis. It may (and surely for that matter) lag behind the Western allies, but without at least a standard of the USSR OTL, there is no chance of a cold war developing. The US will obliterate the Nazis using the first casus belli in sight and there will be plenty.
And what is even more important I find it rather difficult to envision a Nazi victory without getting some saner persons on the leading position. A Nazi victory will still be hardly feasible but it seems to me that a prerequisite are some changes of their insane and radical doctrines concerning their conquered territory and their scientific understanding.
That does not mean they will have a leading role in technology (perhaps with the exception of one or two special military advances like uboats). And that does not mean that Nazi-Germany would be a nice place to live in. And it does not mean they will win the cold war. They will collapse some day. But they need a scientific standard, an industrial basis and sufficient manpower that allows them to deter the US from attacking. Otherweise they have not the power to wage a (long) cold war. The USSR was in there for 45 years. They lacked the high scientific standard most western countries enjoyed but they had a sufficient sicientific standard and industrial basis to develop and build the weapon systems to deter the US and feeding their population during this period. Without that a (prolonged) cold war (and therefore the TL Feanor suggested) is not feasible.
Considering the development in China I think such ideological changes are possible but not the most probable outcome.
To summarize: I do not want to give the Germans a pass. I just stated:
1. A TL with a cold war between the US and Nazi-Germany up until 2008 needs some changes on Nazi doctrine - especially regarding the scientific area and the policies concerning the conquered people - for going on up until 2008 even in the economic sector (cf. China).
2. Without these changes no (or a rather short) cold war, meaning either
a) finally the destruction of Nazi-Germany on the hands of the US or
b) a "nazified" US friendly or neutral with a friendly tendency towards Nazi-Germany.
So I hope I could clear up what I perceived as a misunderstanding (but perhaps there was not any). I know my written English needs some training, but I try hard to get it right.
Kind regards,
G.
To have a cold war Nazi-Germany in 2008 it has to have a decent scientific basis. It may (and surely for that matter) lag behind the Western allies, but without at least a standard of the USSR OTL, there is no chance of a cold war developing. The US will obliterate the Nazis using the first casus belli in sight and there will be plenty.
And what is even more important I find it rather difficult to envision a Nazi victory without getting some saner persons on the leading position. A Nazi victory will still be hardly feasible but it seems to me that a prerequisite are some changes of their insane and radical doctrines concerning their conquered territory and their scientific understanding.
That does not mean they will have a leading role in technology (perhaps with the exception of one or two special military advances like uboats). And that does not mean that Nazi-Germany would be a nice place to live in. And it does not mean they will win the cold war. They will collapse some day. But they need a scientific standard, an industrial basis and sufficient manpower that allows them to deter the US from attacking. Otherweise they have not the power to wage a (long) cold war. The USSR was in there for 45 years. They lacked the high scientific standard most western countries enjoyed but they had a sufficient sicientific standard and industrial basis to develop and build the weapon systems to deter the US and feeding their population during this period. Without that a (prolonged) cold war (and therefore the TL Feanor suggested) is not feasible.
Considering the development in China I think such ideological changes are possible but not the most probable outcome.
To summarize: I do not want to give the Germans a pass. I just stated:
1. A TL with a cold war between the US and Nazi-Germany up until 2008 needs some changes on Nazi doctrine - especially regarding the scientific area and the policies concerning the conquered people - for going on up until 2008 even in the economic sector (cf. China).
2. Without these changes no (or a rather short) cold war, meaning either
a) finally the destruction of Nazi-Germany on the hands of the US or
b) a "nazified" US friendly or neutral with a friendly tendency towards Nazi-Germany.
So I hope I could clear up what I perceived as a misunderstanding (but perhaps there was not any). I know my written English needs some training, but I try hard to get it right.
Kind regards,
G.