US owns Greenland instead of Alaska, Carribeans instead of Hawaii

Cook

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Not dual Kingdom, just a colony.

Why did you think the British was harder than the French, they generally got all the good bits of the world?
 
Not dual Kingdom, just a colony.

Even More unlikely.
Explain how you think that would work, because I don't see it.


Why did you think the British was harder than the French, they generally got all the good bits of the world?

Did you read the article?

the Kingdom was seized illegally, and several Americans in the King's Cabinet were working to get word to the British. they did and the British went to clear up the whole mess.

The British at this point respected Hawaiian sovereignty, making it Difficult to Claim the islands as their own at the same time.

It's not just "Getting the Good bits", there's all sorts of politics and such involved, here the Americans played Role, and the Whole mess started because Paulet acted on his own, without the backing or support of the UK.
 

Cook

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The British at this point respected Hawaiian sovereignty, making it Difficult to Claim the islands as their own at the same time.

It's not just "Getting the Good bits", there's all sorts of politics and such involved, here the Americans played Role, and the Whole mess started because Paulet acted on his own, without the backing or support of the UK.

Seizing someone’s Kingdom on the pretext of British citizen’s rights being infringed wasn’t exactly an uncommon trick. Hong Kong and the Boer Republics spring to mind for starters.

Someone acting without authority; if he failed they denied knowing about it, and if he was successful he was usually given a Knighthood at least.

Look at Clive in India.

As to Japan, they were beinging to expand around that time weren’t they, I just thought I’d throw that one in to make a change from the Usual Suspects Colonial Powers Line-up.
 
Seizing someone’s Kingdom on the pretext of British citizen’s rights being infringed wasn’t exactly an uncommon trick. Hong Kong and the Boer Republics spring to mind for starters.

Someone acting without authority; if he failed they denied knowing about it, and if he was successful he was usually given a Knighthood at least.

Look at Clive in India.

and look, the usual British trick failed.
Badly.

and in the Case of Hong Kong, that was spoils from the First Opium War, and the Boer Republics, that took them, what Five wars to finally get it all?

As to Japan, they were beinging to expand around that time weren’t they, I just thought I’d throw that one in to make a change from the Usual Suspects Colonial Powers Line-up.

american and the UK already would have sizable interest in the islands by the Time Japan come out of it's shell.
 
Doesn't the effect depend on which cause you go with?

How about yours...? :D

1. Alaska could remain Russian; its not really costing them anything, it was just nice to sell it to make money. When the Klondike gold is discovered Russia won't want to be parting with it.

2. Hawaii could see a more assured succession leading to a longer view being taken. Britain could easily have taken it as a protectorate, and ironically if Russia retains Alaska it is going to be MORE in Britain's interests to intervene in Hawaii, since the Russians have big interests there to. So 1. actually pretty much leads to 2. here

3. Greenland, its not exactly vital to Danish interests or its economy, its getting over the issue of pride that would be the problem. Offer enough money at the right time and it seems possible. When the right time is, is the question. But a note would be that 1. and 2. above would lead to a USA taking a more EASTERN approach (ie its East)

4. "The Caribbean" is just not homogeneous and can't be treated as a whole. It consists of independent nations and the colonies of Spain, France, Britain, the Netherlands, Denmark and (until the 1870s) Sweden.

What the USA could do is build up formal protectorates on the basis of the European powers, whilst the long periods of civil war in Cuba could be the basis for intervention earlier, even war with Spain if the US had a navy capable of sustaining this.

Spain though is not an isolated country, and whilst before the 1890s the USA could, by building modern warships instead of crappy monitors, have mounted a challenge to it, it could not if Spain was supported by any other European power

And BTW guys, I have another idea that similar to this one, but I'm too lazy to start a new thread, so...

"US owns Liberia instead of Alaska, Philipines instead of Hawaii..."
 
Taking the Caribbean on a case by case basis.

Jamaica: A fairly deep POD may be best such as an earlier introduction of coffee leading to more forced Irish immigration and the development of a prosperous underclass such as the Gens de couleur. You could have an ARW POD with the Americans occupying East Florida and a successful Franco-Spanish occupation of Jamaica. At the Paris talks the Americans could agree to trade East Florida to Spain in exchange for Jamaica.

Haiti: A successful Oge Rebellion is a possibility. I can see Oge switching sides(becoming a Royalist)when slavery is abolished in France and with British(or American if above takes place) and Spanish help crush any slave rebellions. During the Napoleonic Wars Oge could break witrh France and join the US(I read that many Haitian elites favored closer ties to America rather than France)as a way of preserving slavery in an ever increasing liberal Europe.

The rest of the Greater Antilles are pretty easy, outright annexation of Dominican Republic(Post ACW) same with Cuba and Puerto Rico during SAW.

The Lesser Antilles are a bit trickier.

The British and French contingents could fall in similar ways to there larger counter-parts. With the two biggest players out of the Caribbean it could be just a matter of the right amount of money and bullying to get the rest of the islands.
 
As to Japan, they were beinging to expand around that time weren’t they, I just thought I’d throw that one in to make a change from the Usual Suspects Colonial Powers Line-up.

The Japanese never had - and they clearly demonstrated historically - any ability to project their power beyond Asia. They may be interested in Hawaii has a neutral, independent, sovereign nation, but Korea and China are much more important to them economically and commercially.
 
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